2014 World Championship - Discussion

[Dave Walton]

Why exactly does the tournament need a boring, extremely lucky grinder like Selby?

I can take or leave Selby, but as someone here once pointed out, there's no such thing as luck. Luck is something man invented to explain why certain things happen, because it's too hard from them to accept that they just do.

If a player tries to pot a ball in the corner pocket, misses and the red then cannons off three other reds before dropping in the centre bag; that's not luck. It just so happens that the red hit the other reds in such a way that it found its way into the centre pocket. It's nothing more than a series of events that resulted in something we decide to call luck.

Its luck! Some are luckier than others but its still luck, if you try to play a pot, play it badly and miss but fluke it into the opposite pocket its lucky as you've gained an advantage by playing a bad shot you hadn't intended to play. Everything ever done was given a description by man. By your theory did you choose to type this post or is it just a serious of events beyond your control? Sorry but imo your theory is a load of bollocks

[Dave Walton]

Really, is it *rolls eyes* Selby is awful to watch

In your opinion maybe, personally i like watching him play, best tactician out there

Higgins is the best tactician, Selby is a boring grinder like Ebdon, I appreciate good tactical play, don't enjoy watching Selby though, too much gamesmanship with him imo

[gavpowell]

As for the crowd on the other hand... Well can't blame them for supporting the local guy,

Having been to the Crucible many years in a row now, along with the UK at York and the Masters at Wembley/Ally Pally, I promise you Ding gets plenty of support from Brits - he's extremely popular - even in the infamous Masters final when he got a thraqshing off Ronnie and there were allegations of racist abuse from certain spectators, the rest of the crowd got behind him and cheered his attempts to come back etc.

I personally don't like Ding and have always thought he's overrated(though I'm warming to him a bit now he's showing his emotions a little bit) but to suggest he's getting no support is just inaccurate. Especially at the Crucible, people judt love drama, no matter who's playing.

[lk8]

Not the first time the crowd has reacted like that unfortunately in the Ding match. An instance happened on the 16th frame as well if memory serves me right, when Wasley/crowd was urging a fluked pink on the corner, Ding was already getting up thinking to play his next shot and someone in the crowd just shouted "sit back down". That was uncalled for I thought.

But glad to see the classy congratulations in the end after that tough loss.

or that loud ring tone on someone's phone going off halfway through Ding's delivery in his attempt of a long red?

[the montrealer]

If a player tries to pot a ball in the corner pocket, misses and the red then cannons off three other reds before dropping in the centre bag; that's not luck. It just so happens that the red hit the other reds in such a way that it found its way into the centre pocket. It's nothing more than a series of events that resulted in something we decide to call luck.

Interesting philosophy, are you implying that such a shot can be preempted and relies on skill? Luck seems to be an easier


HI In Snooker there is 85 per cent skill and 15 per cent LUCK Sometimes one player has all the luck and the other player has bad LUCK






explanation![/QUOTE]

[Inoffthered]

Walsley has nevers of steel and was never up in the match great player.

Would any one know who coaches Walsley maybe someone knows

They were talking about this earlier.. and mentioned Terry Griffiths?

[simon dent]

If a player tries to pot a ball in the corner pocket, misses and the red then cannons off three other reds before dropping in the centre bag; that's not luck. It just so happens that the red hit the other reds in such a way that it found its way into the centre pocket. It's nothing more than a series of events that resulted in something we decide to call luck.[/QUOTE]

Interesting philosophy, are you implying that such a shot can be preempted and relies on skill? Luck seems to be an easier explanation!

[the montrealer]

HI Walsley fluked the last red but had to clear up to the Blue Ball to win it.
everybody FLUKES balls thats part of the game.

Walsley has nevers of steel and was never up in the match great player.

Would any one know who coaches Walsley maybe someone knows

[motorhead]

So you didn't hear the excitement and congratulatory tone in both commentators' voices when Ding was laying those snookers, or how cruel they said the game was when Walsley fluked the last red?

this.


about Selby's hilarious 'accident', can someone tell me why the free ball wasn't called? the ball he was supposed to hit was definitely not on on both sides if I recall correctly.

[Billy]

This is one of the reasons why I've become a bit disillusioned with British culture.

You mean it's taken you this long?? I gave up on it about 17 years ago.

Having said that, I still fail to see where this notion that Ding is disliked is coming from. I see the exact opposite.

[Billy]

Oh I absolutely disagree. All decider long it was "poor shot but he's got away with that" or "he's been lucky there" to describe Ding's loose shots and "he's been a little bit fortunate" for Wasley. Just this kind of small talking points that indicate a sort of bias, even little. But they're professionals heh, they don't show it. No such thing as rooting. As for the crowd on the other hand... Well can't blame them for supporting the local guy, this just strenghthen my opinion that the Wold Championship should travel a little bit

So you didn't hear the excitement and congratulatory tone in both commentators' voices when Ding was laying those snookers, or how cruel they said the game was when Walsley fluked the last red?

[Dr_Doctor]

Not the first time the crowd has reacted like that unfortunately in the Ding match. An instance happened on the 16th frame as well if memory serves me right, when Wasley/crowd was urging a fluked pink on the corner, Ding was already getting up thinking to play his next shot and someone in the crowd just shouted "sit back down". That was uncalled for I thought.

This is one of the reasons why I've become a bit disillusioned with British culture. Just saying.

[Billy]

Not the first time the crowd has reacted like that unfortunately in the Ding match. An instance happened on the 16th frame as well if memory serves me right, when Wasley/crowd was urging a fluked pink on the corner, Ding was already getting up thinking to play his next shot and someone in the crowd just shouted "sit back down". That was uncalled for I thought.

But glad to see the classy congratulations in the end after that tough loss.

I'm just sensing any of this

The UK crowd have warmed to Ding more than any other overseas player I can think of in recent years.

As I've already said, what we witnessed tonight was nothing more than encouragement and appreciation for the underdog.

[blowfish]

Not the first time the crowd has reacted like that unfortunately in the Ding match. An instance happened on the 16th frame as well if memory serves me right, when Wasley/crowd was urging a fluked pink on the corner, Ding was already getting up thinking to play his next shot and someone in the crowd just shouted "sit back down". That was uncalled for I thought.

But glad to see the classy congratulations in the end after that tough loss.

[Odrl]

Well, you can't ask for a better evening of snooker than that. :smile:

First of all, congratulations to Michael White for coming back from 8-4 down to force a decider. I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss so many blacks off the spot and other sitters, and still be competitive. Selby didn't really give him a chance in the decider though, he played a very strong frame. He certainly didn't waste his good form in the 1st round this time, so hopefully we see some of it later in the tournament. Carter was quite good in the 1st round, so it won't be easy getting past him.

The conclusion of Ding's match was great as well. Excellent break from Wasley in the penultimate frame to put the pressure on, and for a while it was looking like he would win the decider in one visit as well. He never looked like he was going to miss, until he took a moment to think about a shot and the pressure caught up with him. Crazy pot from Ding along the cushion, with an excellent black to follow, but nerves got to him as well. Considering the standard he set for situations like this this season, it was quite poor to break down the first time, and quite poor to not make anything from that red over the pocket as well. His defeat leaves a big hole in the top half now, especially since he was arguably in the weakest quarter of the draw. But then again, maybe his best stuff this season was behind him anyway. :wink:

On another note, Ding made a couple of excellent attempts to get the snooker behind the black towards the end, and when that pink was going towards the middle pocket on his last shot, someone in the audience shouted "get in". What a nasty thing to shout out loud when someone is about to lose the match after a great effort like that. Why would you wish that on him, Wasley fan or not...