2014 World Championship - Discussion

[vdking114]

I agree with your view, more or less.
The only point I disagree with is comparison of Mark Selby and John Higgins, a real disgrace to the latter in my belief. Slowing down the tempo or keeping the balls tight has never been John Higgins' way of dealing with the likes of Ronnie O'Sullivan, because he himself never "preferred" to have cagey frames.

There is a reason why O'sullivan has called Selby the Torturer and Higgins one of the snooker players he's ever come up against.

[daffie]

I agree with your view, more or less.
The only point I disagree with is comparison of Mark Selby and John Higgins, a real disgrace to the latter in my belief. Slowing down the tempo or keeping the balls tight has never been John Higgins' way of dealing with the likes of Ronnie O'Sullivan, because he himself never "preferred" to have cagey frames.

You see I really do not see it that way. I always pride myself on trying to view both sides of any story. But I really can not see Selby as unsportsmanlike or slowing things down. In my view he plays very tough match play snooker (it's a stupid description but gotta go with it anyway), that is...he goes for his shots (and yes he really does), but at the same time plays the percentage game. If he sees a pot and can play on the next color then he absolutely will. But if the outcome might be 50/50 then he will play the shot in such a way as to try and limit the damage should he miss the pot. I think that is very sensible and very smart play. I can see why others see this as boring or even negative play. But really in my view it is very tough and smart snooker.

Edit : and then there's the tactical / safety play...when did we reach the point where playing tactical snooker or safeties is deemed as boring/slow/annoying and so forth? Ok the game has changed over the years, and has become much faster overall, but still it is a thinking man's game isn't it. If you go all out for each and every shot without any regard for the outcome should you miss the pot, that's just not very smart snooker in my opinion.

Again...the way I see the game/player.

[jw147]

Agreed. For a player who prides his self on class, it was classless. No way would Ronnie have rubbed it in an opponents face like that.

Hope that premature celebration comes back to haunt him, it would be devestating to see selby celebrating if he won, hes up there with robertson in the celebration category, hope ron comes out tonight and blows him off the table

[richo]

Selby has one time winner written all over him though...

[richo]

Anyway, I need advice on this bet again.

So £10 on Selby when it was 7-10, 5.2-1, £52 profit if win. Right now I can cash out with £28, only an £18 profit though. What would people do. Half a mind to bank a small profit, but do feel Selby is going to win this match based on every frame at half an hour....!

[Ronnie's tip]

There was nothing wrong in Selby's celebration. You want to see emotion + personality out there.

Said it a million times but the 'classy' and yet traditional style where everyone is a robotic gentleman actually holds the game back. Alex Higgins + ROS were far from that and they're two of the 3 biggest 'draws' ever.

The more emotion expressed at the table, the better. Even if it did annoy me as a ROS fan.

[Ronnie's tip]

Anyway, I need advice on this bet again.

So £10 on Selby when it was 7-10, 5.2-1, £52 profit if win. Right now I can cash out with £28, only an £18 profit though. What would people do. Half a mind to bank a small profit, but do feel Selby is going to win this match based on every frame at half an hour....!

Keep it. Putting a tenner down and winning £18 is pretty average. £52 quid profit is very good though. I regret not making my bet when it was 10-5 to ROS, because I came damn close to doing it and if I wasn't so lazy I would have.

[Nugget]

Agreed. For a player who prides his self on class, it was classless. No way would Ronnie have rubbed it in an opponents face like that.

A big part of why I wanted Selby to lose that frame was that I knew it was coming. I think that the gritted-teeth, macho fist-pumping trend that's emerged in recent years is ridiculous. Just show some class and shake hands...

[Neil Taperell]

You see I really do not see it that way. I always pride myself on trying to view both sides of any story. But I really can not see Selby as unsportsmanlike or slowing things down. In my view he plays very tough match play snooker (it's a stupid description but gotta go with it anyway), that is...he goes for his shots (and yes he really does), but at the same time plays the percentage game. If he sees a pot and can play on the next color then he absolutely will. But if the outcome might be 50/50 then he will play the shot in such a way as to try and limit the damage should he miss the pot. I think that is very sensible and very smart play. I can see why others see this as boring or even negative play. But really in my view it is very tough and smart snooker.

He is unsportsmanlike ........going for a toilet break and hiding behind the curtains when he was playing Shane Castle to let the lad sweat in his seat . Well documented on here .

[Ronnie's tip]

A big part of why I wanted Selby to lose that frame was that I knew it was coming. I think that the gritted-teeth, macho fist-pumping trend that's emerged in recent years is ridiculous. Just show some class and shake hands...

It's the world final! Why can't you show a bit of emotion?
If Selby went up to Ronnie's face and did it then fair enough, but he didn't.

[daffie]

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Explain what you mean........that's if you can get your head out of Selby's backside . You are just as biased as the so called 'Ronnie Worshippers' .

Lets just try to watch a decent final session of snooker without having to read your blinkered views on snooker .

Hmm...try applying your short-minded-views to yourself and the other Selby haters in here

But I will *explain* myself, just because generally I am a nice guy

The worshippers in here (and general public) for me are the people in here who only have interest in Ros...for absolutely nothing else...not the game of snooker, not the opponent of Ros, not the difference in views from other people...merely their man. That's a very short-minded view imo.

Again...just my personal views...but since you asked.

[montoya10]

There is a reason why O'sullivan has called Selby the Torturer and Higgins one of the snooker players he's ever come up against.

I think he was probably the only one who could one up an A-game Ronnie O'Sullivan.

You see I really do not see it that way. I always pride myself on trying to view both sides of any story. But I really can not see Selby as unsportsmanlike or slowing things down. In my view he plays very tough match play snooker (it's a stupid description but gotta go with it anyway), that is...he goes for his shots (and yes he really does), but at the same time plays the percentage game. If he sees a pot and can play on the next color then he absolutely will. But if the outcome might be 50/50 then he will play the shot in such a way as to try and limit the damage should he miss the pot. I think that is very sensible and very smart play. I can see why others see this as boring or even negative play. But really in my view it is very tough and smart snooker.

Um, you seem to be misunderstanding me here. I never said slowing things down was unsportsmanlike. He doesn't mind playing fragmented frames. In fact, he is usually benefiting from them. That's his style and he makes most of it. Nothing wrong with that, aside from me not liking that style. I'm not so stupid that I'd go on a rant over a player's playing style (exception: heat of the moment while watching, obviously, that's about the only time I really get frustrated over it).
But nevertheless, that's not what John Higgins has played for the past two decades. He has always been known as the best all-rounder, maybe historically the best one, and he has never systematically taken an overly cautious approach on the table. That's about it. Yes, he can play the way Mark Selby does and can still be one of the best at pulling that off, as well, but it's not the stamp on his career, unlike Selby. That was my point.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

can ronnie respond like he did against perry?

and can he forget the misses from the afternoon session?

[Neil Taperell]

Hmm...try applying your short-minded-views to yourself and the other Selby haters in here

But I will *explain* myself, just because generally I am a nice guy

The worshippers in here (and general public) for me are the people in here who only have interest in Ros...for absolutely nothing else...not the game of snooker, not the opponent of Ros, not the difference in views from other people...merely their man. That's a very short-minded view imo.

Again...just my personal views...but since you asked.

Where do you get that i am a Selby hater ???? Read my last line of that quote .

[gwltabb]

Anyway, I need advice on this bet again.

So £10 on Selby when it was 7-10, 5.2-1, £52 profit if win. Right now I can cash out with £28, only an £18 profit though. What would people do. Half a mind to bank a small profit, but do feel Selby is going to win this match based on every frame at half an hour....!

Back Ronnie now at 8/11 to cover your stake. If you put on £14, that returns just over £24. So you'll either be up £38 if Selby wins, or have your tenner back to have another go on something else :-)