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  • In the end I decided to pick up where I left off, so I've watched the third session in its entirety, and the fourth one with a slight delay. Good decision I reckon, as it was brilliant stuff all the way. :smile:

    Very well played to Mark Selby, his second World title in three years, which puts him in a very elite group of players. He overtakes Neil Robertson as the best player of his generation, for now at least, and he is still young enough to add to his legacy. I remember an argument between two former members of this forum around six years ago, about whether Selby will match Mark Williams' achievements when he retires, and I remember commenting that he had very little chance of doing so. Well, six years later Selby has won two World titles, three Masters titles and a UK title, and it looks inevitable that he will win a few more big titles over the next couple of years. I was wrong to underestimate him then, and I was wrong in my prediction ahead of this final as well...

    Selby certainly saved his best for last in this tournament, playing by far his best match in the final. He missed a few more balls than he did in the 2014 final, but he also found more fluency throughout the match and made a couple of good breaks under pressure. His safety was tremendous as well, and that steal in the second frame when he needed a snooker probably set the tone for the entire final. Another highlight was the 15th frame, where he must have laid 20 snookers or so, including three in a row with just pink and black left on the table. He lost the frame in the end, but it was enough to turn the momentum in his favour again. I think the frame to go 16-11 ahead was probably the final nail in Ding's coffin. A fantastic clearance that was, starting with a great double and ending with a fantastic pot on the final black. You certainly can't fault his bottle. One prediction I did get right was the one about certain obnoxious characters emerging and expressing their hate for Selby throughout this final, and I'm glad they have had their day ruined. :wink:

    Selby has now also ended the season as the world number one for the fifth time in a row, which looked almost impossible before this tournament started. I have great respect for Stuart Bingham and all he has achieved in the last five years, but it does seem more fitting that Selby holds this spot. Under the previous ranking system Selby's reign in the last five years would have been uninterrupted, which means he would only need four more years to equal Hendry's record. It's probably a much more difficult achievement these days though, because the World title contributes so many points that it's difficult to compensate for it with other events. If you don't hold a World title in the two-year period that counts towards the rankings, you are probably not going to be number one.

    A few words about Ding as well... Somewhat disappointing in the early part of this final, which probably cost him in the end. It was clear he was very nervous early on, and he admitted as much himself. I thought the fact that he hadn't won this title before would work in his favour here, since he would be the more motivated of the two, but it didn't quite work out that way. Selby's experience proved vital in the end, and he was much better prepared mentally for this final. Still, every credit to Ding for coming back to within a frame on a couple of occasions, after the very demoralizing start. He made more big breaks than Selby in the final, so you could say he lost it in the close and scrappy frames. He probably played the best snooker of the tournament, but the only way to deserve a World title is to actually win it, and Ding came up short this year. Hopefully he comes back stronger and wins it in a year or two. :smile:

    All in all, it was a very interesting World Championship. I would say the standard of play was about average, with most of the players who were considered the favourites failing to play their best, but it was still an exciting tournament. The run of Alan McManus was a particularly pleasant surprise. We have had this before, an ageing former top player suddenly finding some form and knocking out one of the favourites, like Davis and Hendry did to Higgins in 2010 and 2012 respectively, but the fairytale usually ends pretty quickly. Well, McManus played to a high standard until the very end of his run, giving Ding one hell of a game before going out, so every credit to him. I hope he can carry this form into next season as well, although I wouldn't expect any miracles.

    Unfortunately not everything was great in this tournament, and the playing conditions simply have to be mentioned. It was kick after kick, balls jumping centimetres into the air at times, which was awful to see after the relatively "kick-free" China Open. Some of the matches were also ruined by big bounces, particularly those played on table one in the 1st and 2nd round. This is simply unacceptable, and I will not be convinced that it's somehow unavoidable.

    I also have mixed feeling about the Eurosport coverage this year. We only had one table on Eurosport International for the entire tournament, which was a slightly unpleasant surprise after the previous couple of years. I got the feeling Eurosport didn't really care much about viewers on the continent this time. While the UK viewers got two tables and studio analysis, we didn't even get the opening narration this time. You know, the part where David Hendon says something like "welcome to day 3 of the blah blah blah...". Instead it was just a graphic of the draw with some music playing. They also cut to commercials in the middle the commentator's sentence after virtually every frame, and the broadcast of the final ended seconds after Selby lifted the trophy, without a word of goodbye. Now, I don't particularly care about those things, I'm mainly interested in the snooker, but the whole thing was a little embarrassing this year and lacked class.

    Finally, commiserations to my fantasy rival _royle for losing out on second place overall. First place was of course out of reach. :tongue: It was one of the few times that O'Sullivan didn't do much for me, and I completely misfired with Robertson, but of course Selby came to the rescue. :smile:

    The recent announcement of the 2016/2017 calendar gives me the unpleasant feeling that the best-of-7 format will continue to replace proper snooker, so I wish I could be more optimistic about next season. If they stage glorified PTCs such as the Indian Open and try to market them as major ranking events, I won't be watching. But, as always, I'm hoping for the best. :smile:

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    • Originally Posted by JimMalone View Post
      I agree he had a fairly easy draw. The only player before him to win the world title by beating only one seed was Neil Robertson in 2010 I think. But you could argue that Ding is a stronger player than most of the seeds of this world championship.
      He had a very hard draw I think. Same side of the draw as Murphy ( ranked 4 ), O'Sullivan ( 10 ) and Mark Allen ( 7 ).

      Maybe it would be more accurate to say that these top players failed to play past lesser opposition, and give themselves a chance to play Mark Selby ?

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      • Originally Posted by richo View Post
        I have been accused of being negative on Selby, and true I don't really like his style of play, But, he fully deserved to win the final. His mental strength and tactical mastery are clear to see and in those departments he is stronger than anybody else on tour, including O'Sullivan.
        It´s worth to mention that O´Sullivan said nearly the same before his match with Neil Robertson at the UK Championship, adding that over the years he had learned to accept him as he had found up that he played that way against every player on the tour.
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        • On easy draws, as already mentioned. Selbys draw wasn´t easy, but you can only play the players in front of you. O´Sullivan has also had two years with socalled easy draws, but when the topnames fails to deliever the route to the final sometimes ends up looking easy.
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          • Originally Posted by billabong View Post
            He had a very hard draw I think. Same side of the draw as Murphy ( ranked 4 ), O'Sullivan ( 10 ) and Mark Allen ( 7 ).

            Maybe it would be more accurate to say that these top players failed to play past lesser opposition, and give themselves a chance to play Mark Selby ?

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            You are right. That is a better way to put it.

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            • I am very pleased that Mark Selby has won the title for the second time. For the most of the tournament he was well below his best game, and he played superbly just when it was crucial. Fair play to him.
              I only can admire this guys, as there is clearly something really wrong in his personal life. He was nothing like his usual himself (reactions etc.). Hope things will turn around for him there aswell.
              He made it obvious that his tactical game is far superior to everyone on the circuit, including the best players in the world.

              Fair play to Ding Junhui as well, he did not handle the pressure too well. If he ever makes world final again, I expect him to peform to better standard he did last two days. He missed so many shots he should not have.
              He is now safe in top 16 once again so no qualifiers in the next couple of years for him. I am not sure if it is good for him or not. I never was his biggest fan but I wish him good luck in the next WSC editions. It will be intersting to see if he can improve his still somehow not a best record in The Crucible.

              And once again usual slacking of Mark Selby. This is ridiculous, he has outplayed Ding in the final. I even think Ding's average shot time has been higher than Selby's if this is something to consider .....

              Finally this championship as a whole was interesting. The quality of snooker was worse than last year's, yet we had some interesting runs and matches, most notably Alan McManus. Well done to him, interesting to player to watch. Also Marco Fu terrible record in The Crucible had slightly improved. Even I need some spare time, I had been exhausted snooker-wise in the final weekend.
              Looking forward to the next season.

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              • Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb View Post
                He isn't entertaining to watch, I agree, but it's up to other players to beat him.

                Ding has been the better player for much of the final, probably every session except the first one, but you can't give this guy a six-frame head start.
                Agree 1.000 times. I hate the haters

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                • Originally Posted by richo View Post
                  I have been accused of being negative on Selby, and true I don't really like his style of play, But, he fully deserved to win the final. His mental strength and tactical mastery are clear to see and in those departments he is stronger than anybody else on tour, including O'Sullivan.
                  I can certainly second that and if Selby stuck with his potting game (which is excellent) rather than the negativity then, the some of the ill feeling towards him wouldn't be there.

                  All the touching of the table with his cue, leaving the cue on the table after the shot, looking at a shot over and over again, walking round the table, getting up on the shot, looking up at the crowd..........................

                  In the end he did deserve to win the title, but I hope he doesn't go on to dominate in any way, as we need positiivity in the sport and to attract youngsters to pick up a snooker cue.
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                  • Congrats to Mark Selby, double world champion puts him up with or at least on the coat tails of the greats of the game, he's young enough to get a few more, who knows he could chase down Ronnie.Fantastic night for the city of Leicester what a double for them, the sporting capital of the world right now!
                    Interesting to notice in this world champs, it felt like players could chase down decent leads but not quite manage to overhaul them, so get to within a frame or so but then fall behind again. Might not be a fact just the way it felt, or maybe that's the way it goes in general.
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                    • Originally Posted by jb134 View Post
                      He has just won two WCs in three years and the Internet opinion brigade want to slaughter him. People who sat in their houses and watched him while he was earning another few hundred grand.
                      It is due to our interest in the game that allows Selby to earn that few hundred grand. If everyone played like Mark Selby, there would be no interest in the game, no sponsorship and he'd be playing for a piece of slate in a Labour club.
                      Last edited by Hatcherjob; 3 May 2016, 09:18 AM.

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                      • Originally Posted by shmeeko69 View Post
                        I can certainly second that and if Selby stuck with his potting game (which is excellent) rather than the negativity then, the some of the ill feeling towards him wouldn't be there.

                        All the touching of the table with his cue, leaving the cue on the table after the shot, looking at a shot over and over again, walking round the table, getting up on the shot, looking up at the crowd..........................

                        In the end he did deserve to win the title, but I hope he doesn't go on to dominate in any way, as we need positiivity in the sport and to attract youngsters to pick up a snooker cue.
                        I can be a bit forthright, but I think your post is nicely balanced without the bitterness.

                        I actually said in 2014 that now he's won a hard earned WC, he should now change his style of game in the long term, because it is so unethical. I think he has the talent and attributes to become successful in a more exciting way. I think ultimately he's just very anal. The amount of times he has the ball cleaned - and not just the cueball, but object balls too. But he won't change, he's a philistine that can only see the end of his bloody nose and he wants us to foot the bill.

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                        • Originally Posted by Hatcherjob View Post
                          I can be a bit forthright, but I think your post is nicely balanced without the bitterness.

                          I actually said in 2014 that now he's won a hard earned WC, he should now change his style of game in the long term, because it is so unethical. I think he has the talent and attributes to become successful in a more exciting way. I think ultimately he's just very anal. The amount of times he has the ball cleaned - and not just the cueball, but object balls too. But he won't change, he's a philistine that can only see the end of his bloody nose and he wants us to foot the bill.
                          Strange how we latch on to certain things.

                          For me it was the amount of times Ding had the cue ball cleaned, even with no kick on the previous shot.

                          Or was that just me ?

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                          • My love and hate of Selby is similar to that of Davis back in the 80's.
                            Us Brits don't like a dominate winner of any sport, especially when their win of play is undesirable.
                            In future years, when Selby is less dominate, I guess he'll pick up more fans in the same way Davis did. I love Davis today as he is a true legend for our sport. Who knows, Selby popularity may just grow the same way?
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                            • Originally Posted by billabong View Post
                              Strange how we latch on to certain things.

                              For me it was the amount of times Ding had the cue ball cleaned, even with no kick on the previous shot.

                              Or was that just me ?
                              I agree he does, but his break building and cue ball control is so fluent, that his frames don't last hours! I've always been a Selby defender on here in the past, but he ground that Tournament out a bit didn't he? Lol.
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                              • Ding's time will come. He's shown a more relaxed and happy attitude at the crucible and seems to enjoy playing there. He is on the right path to his maiden WC. Well done to Selby he played to his strengths, put Ding in all sorts of trouble from his safety play and disrupted his rhythm limiting his free flowing heavy breaking building. Fair play to Selby.

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