According to us...

[archicrooks]

along with many others im surprised its 48-0 to Hendry & also 43-5 for Davis.
i certainly think Gilbert will make it reasonably tough for Hendry & as someone else said the Davis-Parrott game has 10-9 written all over it !!

interesting that 38 people have gone for Fu & only 10 for Hamilton-hope the majority are correct there !!

[Cyril]

As Statman's not about, I will give the answer to my earlier question.

John Parrott has been involved in the most Crucible deciders - 9 (winning 6, losing 3).

Now for the hard part, which games were they?

I will update...

[Cyril]

John Parrott’s deciding frame matches at the Crucible: -

1985 Quarter-final lost to Ray Reardon 12-13
1989 Rd 1 beat Steve James 10-9
1990 Rd 1 beat Mark Bennett 10-9 (from 7-9 down)
1992 Quarter-final lost to Alan McManus 12-13
1994 Rd 1 beat Drew Henry 10-9 (from 7-9 down)
1997 Rd 1 beat Bradley Jones 10-9
1999 Rd 2 beat Chris Small 13-12
2000 Rd 1 beat Gary Wilkinson 10-9
2000 Rd 2 lost to Joe Swail 12-13 (from 12-8 up)

[missneworleans]

Thanks Cyril!
Very interesting information!

I think the second man with most deciders is Ken Doherty?(6, 4 wins, 2 loses)
1. 12-13 Hamilton
2. 13-12 King
3. 12-13 Hendry
4. 10-9 Murphy
5. 13-12 Dott
6. 17-16 Hunter (from 9-15, 14-16 down)

[The Statman]

Actually the second is 8 for Alex Higgins and Cliff Thorburn:

Higgins:
1977 first round 12-13 Mountjoy
1978 first round 12-13 Fagan
1979 quarter-final 12-13 Griffiths
1980 first round 10-9 Meo
1982 second round 13-12 Mountjoy
1982 semi-final 6-15 White
1984 first round 9-10 Foulds
1986 second round 12-13 Griffiths

Thorburn:
1977 quarter-final 13-12 Charlton
1978 quarter-fianl 12-13 Charlton
1983 second round 13-12 Griffiths
1983 quarter-final 13-12 Stevens (Kirk)
1983 semi-final 16-15 Knowles
1989 first round 9-10 Charlton
1990 second round 13-12 Mountjoy
1994 first round 9-10 Bond

[ADR147]

The prediction contest for the World first round has received 48 entries so far, and these are the predictions for each match: (in order or seed's expectation)

48-0 HendryGilbert
46-2 Stevens-Delaney
45-3 Doherty-Allen
45-3 Dott-McCulloch
44-4 Ebdon-Bond
43-5 Davis-Parrott
42-6 Higgins-Holt
41-7 Carter-Hicks
41-7 Hawkins-O'Brien
41-7 Robertson-Day
40-8 O'Sullivan-Ding
38-10 Maguire-Perry
36-12 Murphy-Trump
29-19 Williams-Swail
12-36 Lee-Selby
10-38 Hamilton-Fu

SO WE CAN EXPECT GILBERT, DELANEY, ALLEN AND MCCULLOCH TO WIN THEN!

[ADR147]

CURRENT BETTING ODDS ARE AS FOLLOWS SO I THINK RYAN DAY AND IAN MACCULLOCH ARE GOOD EACH WAY BETS AND MATTHEW STEVENS TO WIN?

R O'Sullivan 7/2
J Higgins 9/1
P Ebdon 9/1
S Hendry 9/1
S Murphy 10/1
Ding Junhui 12/1
G Dott 12/1
N Robertson 14/1
K Doherty 20/1
M Stevens 20/1
M Selby 25/1
S Maguire 25/1
M Williams 33/1
A Carter 40/1
M Fu 40/1
R Day 40/1
B Hawkins 50/1
J Trump 50/1
S Lee 50/1
J Perry 80/1
M Allen 80/1
I McCulloch 100/1
S Davis 100/1
J Swail 125/1
A Hamilton 150/1
A Hicks 200/1
F O'Brien 200/1
M Holt 200/1
D Gilbert 300/1
J Delaney 300/1
N Bond 300/1
J Parrott 500/1

[Alex0paul]

I think it is, or was, 48-0 is because they know it is a sort of gimmie and by predicting it the otherway is almost throwing away 1 point in contest. Obviously Gilbert has a chance but the odds and chances are Hendry will win therefore people have predicted that way.

[ADR147]

the only thing that is totally sure is that there will be some suprise results, there always are!

[dantuck_7]

The prediction contest for the World first round has received 48 entries so far, and these are the predictions for each match: (in order or seed's expectation)

48-0 HendryGilbert
46-2 Stevens-Delaney
45-3 Doherty-Allen
45-3 Dott-McCulloch
44-4 Ebdon-Bond
43-5 Davis-Parrott
42-6 Higgins-Holt
41-7 Carter-Hicks
41-7 Hawkins-O'Brien
41-7 Robertson-Day
40-8 O'Sullivan-Ding
38-10 Maguire-Perry
36-12 Murphy-Trump
29-19 Williams-Swail
12-36 Lee-Selby
10-38 Hamilton-Fu

Hello,

Any chance of the average frame scores that have been predicted per player?

Also for the Murphy Trump match - could you let us know how it breaks down for those that have predicted Trump to win.

Dan.

[david16]

Just say Gilbert pulls it back to 8-5 or something in the Hendry-Gilbert match - and it's not exactly a totally inconceivable scorline in a 1st round match nowadays involving the Hendry of now -, obviously Gilbert is going to be well in the contest and anything can happen if the run of the ball starts going Gilbert's way.

I think some of the scorelines predictions for that match are of the scale of when Hendry once hammered Surinder Gill and Danny Fowler, because it is Stephen Hendry. But it's not exactly a sure thing, and as been said earlier in the thread it's dangerous to make the assumption that just because you haven't seen Gilbert play that he must be totally useless.

[dannyd0g]

Just say Gilbert pulls it back to 8-5 or something in the Hendry-Gilbert match - and it's not exactly a totally inconceivable scorline in a 1st round match nowadays involving the Hendry of now -, obviously Gilbert is going to be well in the contest and anything can happen if the run of the ball starts going Gilbert's way.

I think some of the scorelines predictions for that match are of the scale of when Hendry once hammered Surinder Gill and Danny Fowler, because it is Stephen Hendry. But it's not exactly a sure thing, and as been said earlier in the thread it's dangerous to make the assumption that just because you haven't seen Gilbert play that he must be totally useless.

I agree. To a large extent Hendry has the huge advantage of his reputation and experience. If he just so much as threatens to start playing well his opponent could start to become intimidated, and then have no chance. And then Hendry should be on a roll.

Of course it also depends how good Gilbert actually is, and how well he manages to play. If he plays well and Hendry is missing easy pots all the time as we see him doing often these days then Hendry could be going home early once again.

Another possibilty is that Hendry does play well, and Gilbert turns out to be totally brilliant, and outplays an on form Hendry.

[Cyril]

Updated list of John Parrott’s deciding frame matches at the Crucible: -

1985 Quarter-final lost to Ray Reardon 12-13
1989 Rd 1 beat Steve James 10-9
1990 Rd 1 beat Mark Bennett 10-9 (from 7-9 down)
1992 Quarter-final lost to Alan McManus 12-13
1994 Rd 1 beat Drew Henry 10-9 (from 7-9 down)
1997 Rd 1 beat Bradley Jones 10-9
1999 Rd 2 beat Chris Small 13-12
2000 Rd 1 beat Gary Wilkinson 10-9
2000 Rd 2 lost to Joe Swail 12-13
2007 Rd 1 beat Steve Davis 10-9

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