Provisional Rankings - PTC1 UPDATED

[ltfc39]

Right, here is the provisional ranking list after this weekend's Players' Tour Championship Event 1. I have taken out the points earned in the Northern Ireland Trophy, Grand Prix and Shanghai Masters in 2008. In regards to starter points, I have given starters this year 4,790 (the amount Xiao Guodong got last year). For the previous year, I have taken off 2,194, as three out of the eight events in 2008/09 have been taken out. This amount hasn't been confirmed (I'm just trying to give a fair account of each player so some don't get an unfair advantage).

The Provisional Ranking List - Top 16

1. John Higgins 46,470
2. Neil Robertson 44,930
3. Ali Carter 38,720
4. Ronnie O'Sullivan 36,710
5. Ding Junhui 36,450
6. Shaun Murphy 36,380
7. Stephen Maguire 35,520
8. Mark Williams 34,580
9. Mark Allen 31,430
10. Stephen Hendry 30,010
11. Graeme Dott 28,975
12. Mark Selby 28,530
13. Mark King 26,170
14. Marco Fu 25,340
15. Peter Ebdon 24,130
16. Ryan Day 24,010

Big Movers & Selected Others (Min movement four places unless big name)

19. Matthew Stevens (Up 6) 21,450
24. Gerard Greene (Up 4) 19,245
25. Stuart Bingham (Up 4) 19,025
26. Steve Davis (Down 4) 19,005
27. Ken Doherty (Up 3) 18,660
28. Michael Holt (Down 4) 18,535
29. Ricky Walden (Down 9) 18,515
30. Rob Milkins (Up 6) 18,060
31. Nigel Bond (Up 7) 17,198
32. Martin Gould (Up 11) 17,000
34. Judd Trump (Down 7) 16,770
41. Jamie Burnett (Down 4) 15,510
43. Fergal O'Brien (Up 4) 14,338
46. Barry Pinches (Up 11) 13,068
47. Michael Judge (Up 5) 13,398
50. Dave Harold (Down 19) 13,158
51. Tony Drago (Up 3) 13,136
53. Alan McManus (Down 7) 12,775
54. Ian McCulloch (Down 6) 12,365
60. Patrick Wallace (Up 10) 11,005
61. Dave Gilbert (Down 6) 10,925
63. Matt Couch (Up 6) 10,580
65. Joe Jogia (Up 7) 10,356
67. Jimmy White (Down 7) 10,005
70. Ben Woollaston (Up 4) 9,256
73. Simon Bedford (Down 7) 8,890

This is taken from a spreadsheet I have done. Others available upon request.

[JIMO96]

Good work! This is the first accurate ranking list I've seen....people are saying Ronnie is up to number 2 now, but he is nothing of the sort!

The only matter that needs resolving is "starter points", and it's not as straight forward as in previous years, because both new intakes over the last 2 seasons need an allocation....Drago, Haveveer etc have no points from 2008-9, so need a starter allocation to balance their points. Similarly, Wicheard, Lisowski etc need a starter points allocation to reflect their absence from last years tour. Then there's the likes of Johal, Chuang etc who are newcomers this season, but who played on the 2008-9 tour, and actually earned points in the 5 counting events(!)

So it's not going to be an easy solution for the WPBSA. I wouldn't put it past Hearn to just let the new pros run with one seasons worth of points, and base their tour qualification on their PTC performances....thereby ignoring "starter points".

A possible solution could be to calculate starter points for each individual counting event, and give them to players who need them. For example, in the 2008 Bahrain tournament, the 24 competitors who earned points in it that no longer play on the tour, earned 12950 points between them, an average of 498. So this could be the starter allocation for the Bahrain Open for any of the current tour who didnt play in it. This would of course, drop off a players points total after the next revision.

Working the same way, the starter points for the other events would be: 2008 UK 576; 2009 Welsh 518; 2009 China 566; 2009 Worlds 835; 2009 Shanghai 469; 2009 GP 587; 2009 UK 670; 2010 Welsh 440; 2010 China 493 and 2010 Worlds 857

At least with this system, there is an element of balance, although the sooner we have a one year list the better, to cut out this "points lottery".

[snoopy2608]

yes will be interested to see how starter points are allocated. On my ranking spreadsheet I have for now allocated the season starter points for all those who need some in line with the individual tournament points of the player the starter points are based on (not a perfect system I agree but had to start somewhere)!

[wildJONESEYE]

Andrew Higginson is at 32nd with 17175 Points

[JanieWatkins]

starter points are equal to Ben Woollaston not Xiao - Xiao was 9th on one year list and got a wildcard. Ben was 8th and wsa have confirmed that to me.

[wildJONESEYE]

starter points are equal to Ben Woollaston not Xiao - Xiao was 9th on one year list and got a wildcard. Ben was 8th and wsa have confirmed that to me.

janie

why has global got Ronnie at 2 ?

sorry but that does not make any sense in the concept of seeding positions for the UK Championship.

Judd Trump on your provisionals could end inside the top 32 just but when all said and done and the points he earned for the semi in the 2008 Grand Prix gets taken away hes out of the top 32.

[ltfc39]

Andrew Higginson is at 32nd with 17175 Points

How did you work this out. I have Higginson starting at 32 dropping to 35 currently.

[erezpa]

in my excel sheet i solved the matter of "starter points" that way:

for those players, who did not play on main tour 2009/10, i suppose they receive 5040 starter points distributed the way woollaston earned them (1300 for shanghai + gp, 1190 for uk, 200 for welsh and 2210 for china and world).
for the season 2008/9, the players, which didn't compete should receive 5850 starter points with the distribution of mahitthi (though he is relegated): 2225 for shanghai, northern ireland and gp. 2125 for bahrain and uk. 200 for welsh. 1300 for china and world. those who did play like johal, keep their record of that season.

[wildJONESEYE]

How did you work this out. I have Higginson starting at 32 dropping to 35 currently.

sorry mate i was wrong lol

[snoopy2608]

in my excel sheet i solved the matter of "starter points" that way:

for those players, who did not play on main tour 2009/10, i suppose they receive 5040 starter points distributed the way woollaston earned them (1300 for shanghai + gp, 1190 for uk, 200 for welsh and 2210 for china and world).
for the season 2008/9, the players, which didn't compete should receive 5850 starter points with the distribution of mahitthi (though he is relegated): 2225 for shanghai, northern ireland and gp. 2125 for bahrain and uk. 200 for welsh. 1300 for china and world. those who did play like johal, keep their record of that season.

that's how I worked out starter points though for now those like Johal I have starter points for both seasons to (I guess we'll know for sure when there are rankings on the WSA site)

[erezpa]

that's how I worked out starter points though for now those like Johal I have starter points for both seasons to (I guess we'll know for sure when there are rankings on the WSA site)

probably you're right: why should figueiredo get an advantage of 1250 in comparision to johal?

[JanieWatkins]

in my excel sheet i solved the matter of "starter points" that way:

for those players, who did not play on main tour 2009/10, i suppose they receive 5040 starter points distributed the way woollaston earned them (1300 for shanghai + gp, 1190 for uk, 200 for welsh and 2210 for china and world).
for the season 2008/9, the players, which didn't compete should receive 5850 starter points with the distribution of mahitthi (though he is relegated): 2225 for shanghai, northern ireland and gp. 2125 for bahrain and uk. 200 for welsh. 1300 for china and world. those who did play like johal, keep their record of that season.

The starter points are a "block" of points and they don't get taken off... so for instance players who had "starter" points for 2008-9 season won't be losing them in the first cut off.
Players getting starter points this season don't have them "divied" up between several tournaments.
This actually become "positive discrimination" in favour of the new boys. Would have to say it's about time they go some advantage from the ranking system.

[erezpa]

The starter points are a "block" of points and they don't get taken off... so for instance players who had "starter" points for 2008-9 season won't be losing them in the first cut off.
Players getting starter points this season don't have them "divied" up between several tournaments.
This actually become "positive discrimination" in favour of the new boys. Would have to say it's about time they go some advantage from the ranking system.

this would shift tony drago to #42 (not 51) provisionally and #21 for world champ's seeding! seems strange, as he was 37th in 1 year ranking last season...

[wildJONESEYE]

The starter points are a "block" of points and they don't get taken off... so for instance players who had "starter" points for 2008-9 season won't be losing them in the first cut off.
Players getting starter points this season don't have them "divied" up between several tournaments.
This actually become "positive discrimination" in favour of the new boys. Would have to say it's about time they go some advantage from the ranking system.

i think you are right its not as if they will leap up to the top 32 but they get a fighting chance to stay on tour.

[betelgeuse]

What do you think of the following system?:

Instead of starter points, the newcomers get point for each of the counted tournaments that was played before they became pro. The amount of points should correspond to winning exactly one match.

For 2009/2010 this would be 5720 points (910+910+1040+650+910+1300). Slightly more than the normal start points, but I think that is only fair.

For 2008/2009 the last five tournament are counted at the first ranking update giving 4225 points (650+975+650+650+1300).