Provisional Rankings - PTC1 UPDATED

[Matt_2745]

The starter points are a "block" of points and they don't get taken off... so for instance players who had "starter" points for 2008-9 season won't be losing them in the first cut off.
Players getting starter points this season don't have them "divied" up between several tournaments.
This actually become "positive discrimination" in favour of the new boys. Would have to say it's about time they go some advantage from the ranking system.

Interesting, was wondering how they would resolve that issue.

[snoopy2608]

The starter points are a "block" of points and they don't get taken off... so for instance players who had "starter" points for 2008-9 season won't be losing them in the first cut off.
Players getting starter points this season don't have them "divied" up between several tournaments.
This actually become "positive discrimination" in favour of the new boys. Would have to say it's about time they go some advantage from the ranking system.

If the starter points aren't taken off until the end of the season the points earned to date that will determine World Championship seedings are as follows:

1 John HIGGINS
2 Neil ROBERTSON
3 Junhui DING
4 Ronnie O'SULLIVAN
5 Mark WILLIAMS
6 Allister CARTER
7 Stephen MAGUIRE
8 Shaun MURPHY
9 Stephen HENDRY
10 Mark SELBY
11 Mark ALLEN
12 Graeme DOTT
13 Mark KING
14 Jamie COPE
15 Ryan DAY
16 Peter EBDON
17 Wenbo LIANG
18 Mark DAVIS
19 Marco FU
20 Gerard GREENE
21 Tony DRAGO
22 Ricky WALDEN
23 Ken DOHERTY
24 Nigel BOND
25 Barry HAWKINS
26 Stuart BINGHAM
27 Stephen LEE
28 Joe PERRY
29 Andrew HIGGINSON
30 Steve DAVIS
31 Tom FORD
32 Michael HOLT
33 Robert MILKINS
34 Matthew STEVENS
35 Bjorn HANEVEER
36 Mike DUNN
37 Judd TRUMP
38 Joe JOGIA
39 Stuart PETTMAN
40 Rory McLEOD
41 Jimmy ROBERTSON
42 Martin GOULD
43 James WATTANA
44 Zhang ANDA
45 Jamie JONES
46 Fergal O'BRIEN
47 Marcus CAMPBELL
48 Jamie BURNETT
49 Alfie BURDEN
49 Paul DAVISON
49 Igor FIGUEIREDO
49 Anthony McGILL
49 Ben WOOLLASTON
54 Michael WHITE
55 Justin ASTLEY
55 Liam HIGHFIELD
55 Chuang LIU
55 Kurt MAFLIN
55 Kyren WILSON
60 Guodong XIAO
61 Rod LAWLER
62 Adrian GUNNELL
63 Patrick EINSLE
63 Reanne EVANS
63 Kuldesh JOHAL
63 Jak JONES
63 Issara KACHAIWONG
63 Jack LISOWSKI
63 James MCBAIN
63 Dermot McGLINCHEY
63 Jamie O'NEILL
63 Andrew PAGETT
63 Noppon SAENGKHAM
63 Thanawat TIRAPAIPONGBOON
63 Adam WICHAERD
76 Peter LINES
77 Matthew SELT
78 Alan McMANUS
79 Dominic DALE
80 Joe SWAIL
81 Barry PINCHES
82 Anthony HAMILTON
83 Dave HAROLD
84 Patrick WALLACE
85 Ian McCULLOCH
86 Mark JOYCE
87 Jimmy MICHIE
88 Michael JUDGE
89 David MORRIS
90 Andy HICKS
91 Simon BEDFORD
92 Matthew COUCH
93 David GILBERT
94 Joe DELANEY
95 Paul DAVIES
96 Jimmy WHITE

this as you can see is a wildly distorted ranking and surely can't be right. I think until the WSA have made clear how the ranking system will work in respect of starter points I'll reserve judgement

[wildJONESEYE]

WOW

Jimmy White has to have a blinding season then

[ltfc39]

That list definitely is not correct. Tony Drago is definitely not the 21st best player in the world and some players such as Reanne Evans, Issara Kachaiwong and Noppon Saengkham who have never played a World Snooker event should not be ranked higher than Hicks, White and Davies.

[wildJONESEYE]

That list definitely is not correct. Tony Drago is definitely not the 21st best player in the world and some players such as Reanne Evans, Issara Kachaiwong and Noppon Saengkham who have never played a World Snooker event should not be ranked higher than Hicks, White and Davies.

yes there are points from 11 PTC events and 7 World Ranking tournaments including the World Championship to go on top of that list.

[snoopy2608]

starter points now clarified by WSA site - so points earned for Crucibl ranking as follows.

by removing starter points from players who were new to tour last season (eg. Drago) those players will drop down rankings at the cut-off points and then climb again by the end of the season - it will be hard for any 1st or 2nd season pro to break the top 64 in the first 2 ranking re-sets - because of this


1 John HIGGINS
2 Neil ROBERTSON
3 Junhui DING
4 Ronnie O'SULLIVAN
5 Mark WILLIAMS
6 Allister CARTER
7 Stephen MAGUIRE
8 Shaun MURPHY
9 Stephen HENDRY
10 Mark SELBY
11 Mark ALLEN
12 Graeme DOTT
13 Mark KING
14 Jamie COPE
15 Ryan DAY
16 Peter EBDON
17 Wenbo LIANG
18 Mark DAVIS
19 Marco FU
20 Gerard GREENE
21 Ricky WALDEN
22 Ken DOHERTY
23 Nigel BOND
24 Barry HAWKINS
25 Stuart BINGHAM
26 Stephen LEE
27 Joe PERRY
28 Andrew HIGGINSON
29 Steve DAVIS
30 Tom FORD
31 Michael HOLT
32 Robert MILKINS
33 Matthew STEVENS
34 Mike DUNN
35 Judd TRUMP
36 Stuart PETTMAN
37 Rory McLEOD
38 Martin GOULD
39 Fergal O'BRIEN
40 Marcus CAMPBELL
41 Jamie BURNETT
42 Rod LAWLER
43 Adrian GUNNELL
44 Peter LINES
45 Matthew SELT
46 Alan McMANUS
47 Dominic DALE
48 Joe SWAIL
49 Barry PINCHES
50 Anthony HAMILTON
51 Dave HAROLD
52 Tony DRAGO
53 Patrick WALLACE
54 Ian McCULLOCH
55 Mark JOYCE
56 Jimmy MICHIE
57 Michael JUDGE
58 David MORRIS
59 Andy HICKS
60 Simon BEDFORD
61 Matthew COUCH
62 David GILBERT
63 Joe DELANEY
64 Paul DAVIES
65 Bjorn HANEVEER
66 Jimmy WHITE
67 Joe JOGIA
68 Jimmy ROBERTSON
69 James WATTANA
70 Zhang ANDA
71 Jamie JONES
72 Alfie BURDEN
72 Paul DAVISON
72 Igor FIGUEIREDO
72 Anthony McGILL
72 Ben WOOLLASTON
77 Michael WHITE
78 Justin ASTLEY
78 Liam HIGHFIELD
78 Chuang LIU
78 Kurt MAFLIN
78 Kyren WILSON
83 Guodong XIAO
84 Patrick EINSLE
84 Reanne EVANS
84 Kuldesh JOHAL
84 Jak JONES
84 Issara KACHAIWONG
84 Jack LISOWSKI
84 James MCBAIN
84 Dermot McGLINCHEY
84 Jamie O'NEILL
84 Andrew PAGETT
84 Noppon SAENGKHAM
84 Thanawat TIRAPAIPONGBOON
84 Adam WICHAERD

[ltfc39]

Well the clarification has confused me even more!

How is it fair for one player to have just points earned in one season than someone that has had more than one season? The rankings will become distorted and will be an unfair reflection on the player.

[wildJONESEYE]

well the World Rankings isued by World Snooker is most definitly wrong just Look at Dave Harold position thats so false its unbelievable he is 19 places out when points are taken away.

World Snooker dont even understand their own up date system whitch quite frankly is a embarasement.

[snoopy2608]

the purpose of starter points is to give players a chance to climb the rankings as they progress through season 1 (as well as meaning that 1st season players have a chance of breaking the 64) - in their 2nd season they will gradually have played enough tournaments to climb of their own accord

[snoopy2608]

well the World Rankings isued by World Snooker is most definitly wrong just Look at Dave Harold position thats so false its unbelievable he is 19 places out when points are taken away.

World Snooker dont even understand their own up date system whitch quite frankly is a embarasement.

that's cos they're not taking points off until the cut-off as per their explanantion below.........

"Please click the pdf document at the bottom of this page to see the latest world rankings.


The rankings now work as a two-year rolling list. There will be three 'cut-off points' during the 2010/11 season, when the ranking points for the corresponding tournaments during the 2008/09 season will be taken off.

The first cut-off point is after EPTC2, which runs from October 1-3. The ranking points for the 2008 Northern Ireland Trophy, Roewe Shanghai Masters and Grand Prix will then be removed. The updated list will then be used for seedings for the UK Championship and the Masters.

The second cut-off point is after the UK Championship (December 4-12), when the list will be used to seed the German Masters and Welsh Open. The third cut-off point is after the Welsh Open (February 14-20), when the list will be used to seed the China Open and Betfred.com World Snooker Championship."

[wildJONESEYE]

that's cos they're not taking points off until the cut-off as per their explanantion below.........

"Please click the pdf document at the bottom of this page to see the latest world rankings.


The rankings now work as a two-year rolling list. There will be three 'cut-off points' during the 2010/11 season, when the ranking points for the corresponding tournaments during the 2008/09 season will be taken off.

The first cut-off point is after EPTC2, which runs from October 1-3. The ranking points for the 2008 Northern Ireland Trophy, Roewe Shanghai Masters and Grand Prix will then be removed. The updated list will then be used for seedings for the UK Championship and the Masters.

The second cut-off point is after the UK Championship (December 4-12), when the list will be used to seed the German Masters and Welsh Open. The third cut-off point is after the Welsh Open (February 14-20), when the list will be used to seed the China Open and Betfred.com World Snooker Championship."

and i say that is quite frankly amateurish rubbish and very wrong.

so that means players are actually provisionally out of correct positions just look at Harold hes 31 but he will not be seeded there in a fit unless he has a brilliant start of season.

[erezpa]

so it's not positive discrimination (0 - 0 - 0 - 5850 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 5040), nor equal valuation to the 1 year lists (2225 - 2125 - 200 - 1300 - 1190 - 1440 - 200 - 2210) - it's an early loss of the starter points (5850 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 5040 - 0 - 0 - 0)????

[wildJONESEYE]

last season players went in to the WC Knowing what they got to do to stay in top 16,32,48,64 but now unless they look at matt pro snooker blog they are clueless.

[snoopy2608]

they haven't confirmed what the points are for any events apart from PTC so you can't calculate anything!

[wildJONESEYE]

they haven't confirmed what the points are for any events apart from PTC so you can't calculate anything!

With the WS Rankings a player will be playing the 2011 World Championship with points for the 2009 and 2010 World Championship not to mention china open included.....then when the Winner is anounced the celebration started then they take off the 2009 points.

very confusing and very badly thought out.