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    Yes, these events are a great idea. They keep the players busy and match sharp and as Hearn has stated, its a way for the players to make a few extra shillings.

    But, after the hitches, which can only be expected for the first few events, i feel these still need a bit more tweaking here and there, and fine tuning. At the end of the day, these are professional events. Most important of all, they carry ranking points. If it was not for the ranking points, from the players perspective, the importance of these events is pretty far down the list other than match practice and promotion of the game.

    But, if these are to be professional events with world ranking points, they should be treated and regarded with the same importance as the other 7 main ranking events, which they are not. This series has been rushed through, without enough thought. We know that world snooker are implementing changes here and there, where they can, like for instance the new start times they introduced for this event, seems to be better, but its still no where near good enough.

    These players are supposed to be professionals as Hearn has pointed out. Therefore he should treat them as such and they should not be made to just feel grateful because he has put on some events, in conditions i feel personally are well below par.

    The academy for instance is much too small to be holding these events. In this weather, no air conditioning, it is stifling, the players are still loitering around for hours waiting to play, completely bored to death, cannot leave the room incase they are called to play, and when they do, they are expected to be playing snooker to the best of their ability, in order to be able to win their match and most importantly, ranking points, to keep their bloody career alive.

    From 9 0/c in the morning, to gone 12 midnight, 3 matches under these conditions would put a strain on anyones career. How can you expect players to perform to their best starting matches at 10 0/c at night, going on for 2,3, or even 4 hours. Its absolutely Pathetic, and in no other sport of any worthy credit would you get this going on, only in snooker.

    Hearn should be embarrassed by this Fiasco, not proud of it. The players don't want to seem ungrateful, but under these conditions, these are anybodies games. This is not improving a player, its makig some of them look ridiculous, as when they eventually get to play, they are so tired, knackered and drained, they look like they are ready for the knackers yard when they come out, and then the same old cycle again, of hanging about for your next match, bore S--TL--S and then trying to perform again.

    This sort of snooker is not too anyones benefit. Unless Hearn & co can come up with better ideas for playing conditions. No matches starting later than 8 at night, better surrounding, a more pleasant atmosphere, instead of everybody looking half dead, he should have a thorough rethink. This is all in the reason of cost cutting. Cramming all these matches in the old academy because its cheaper. I'm afraid thats not good enough. If you cannot afford it, don't do it, rather than only do it halfheartedly. Your playing with players lives and careers. Show them some respect.

    Whats going to happen when these events are taken on the road to other clubs to stage. Are they going to be played on Star match templated tables. If they are not, that would make matters even worse. What about the European events. Are these going to be on star templated tables. If these are to continue as ranking events, i suppose world snooker will have to supply all star match templated table, others it would make a complete mockery of the tour.

    Until Hearn comes up with something better, i feel he should revert these tournament back into non-ranking events. That way, you cannot have so much criticism. Otherwise playing under the stress and strain of tiredness etc, you will continue to get odd results you might never of got.

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    They are fine. The players enter, they enjoy it.

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    • #3
      Mr P

      They are fine. The players enter, they enjoy it.
      Last edited by madman; 11 July 2010, 10:50 AM.

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      • #4
        Mr P

        They are fine. The players enter, they enjoy it.

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        No constructive, intelligent reply, then don't bother. Your knowledge of professional snooker is very, very, limited obviously. Hence a child like reply.

        For your information, take away the ranking points, how many pro's do you think would enter? Well you can guage an idea by the way the series that Sir Rodders introduced. Thats why it was scrapped. Most players now have to enter because of the ranking points involved, otherwise they will get left behind.

        These are world ranking points you are playing for, not Mickey Mouse entry cards to disney land. All i am saying, to play 3 matches in a day is fine, as long as the latest starting time is before 8 0/c. Plus, give the players something to do in between rather than loiter about and fall asleep.

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        • #5
          And did I read that the first round matches didn't even have referees this time?

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          • #6
            Mr P They are fine. The players enter, they enjoy it.
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            Mr P,

            You seemed to of spoke much to early mate, these just keep falling on my lap. I know i got a bit of flack last time i posted a quote off face book, but i've done this one anonymous, if thats ok. Here is just one comment from an Ex-pro, still a really brilliant amateur, who ws penalised yesterday, because of all the hanging about and boredom, that i am criticising about..

            Any further clever comments you might like to add. This is one of many, but they don't like to upset the applecart. You understand now.



            ???? 'thinks the p t c is a joke playing matches at 1am? is this wat snooker has come 2? i was waiting around allday 2day 4 my match went out 4 a ten minit break n got docked a frame wats that all about'

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            • #7
              Who posted that? Was it Lee Spick?

              Anyways, I don't care how many players would enter if there wasn't any ranking points, it isn't even relevant as Ranking Points are involved. Snooker is a professional sport, you have to be commited and part of it is playing in the early hours or mornings. Look at darts, some matches go on and on. Same with Golf, Cricket, anything.

              I do agree that it's abit silly and a very tight schedule to play it all in three days, but if the players keep entering, I don't forsee a problem.

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by Souwester View Post
                And did I read that the first round matches didn't even have referees this time?
                The "amateur" round does not have referees - no different to first event

                Every pro match is refereed

                "so much criticism"??
                only criticism I've seen is from forum writers who aren't even players in the events.

                If players equate extra days, better venues versus costings which detracts from the prize pot, they are choosing the prize fund every time.
                Janie Watkins
                On Q Promotions / South West Snooker Academy
                All views are my own and in no way represent On Q or the Academy

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                • #9
                  You're spot on Janie.

                  With regards to the player that turned up late. I believe you are given about 5 minutes, and you are called out about 10 times over a large microphone aswell as other players looking for you.

                  You can't complain.

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                  • #10
                    Don't talk so stupid. You cannot have professional snooker players, playing at 2, 3 in the morning. Sure, they play golf at midnight, do you wanna rethink that Mr p.

                    At least in them events when they are late, they are participatating for the majority of the time, leading up to a late night. In snooker, they are starting too late, 10, 11, 12, 1 0/c, thats a completely different scenario. Especially when they have been hanging about for 5 hours. Unlike Gof, cricket, darts, you just cannot compare the different sports.

                    Golf and cricket are at least a bit energetic, unlike snooker, which is a brain tiring sport as well.

                    As for 'so much criticism', i don't think its so much when all i can see at the moment, is me, the only one criticising. Players dont like to complain, they want to play obviously, but under a more normal conditions. Whoever you are and whatever your thoughts, these tournaments in there current formular, are nothing more than late night 'pontins flyers'. and what a joke they are.

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                    • #11
                      I understand the reasons for trying to play these competitions in as short a time as possible, but there has to be a line between how quick it can be played and reasonable time to play it in. I believe that one extra days play or a larger venue would solve most of the problems. In particular a more suitable venue would be ideal, allowing spectators (however few that may be) would create some sort of atmosphere and opportunity for professional players to display their talents. Financially the Academy may be the cheapest and viable venue, creating a reason for its existence and validating the money WSA use to subsidise it.
                      On a positive note, the events are providing much needed playing opportunities and earning opportunities, it is also throwing up some inrtiguing matches as players have no ranking protection apart from points earned in these events specifically. Matches such as Ebdon v Murphy coming about because Ebdon didn't play in the first event and Murphy lost in the first round, the winner then came up against Selby, meaning 2 of the worlds top players were out by the 2nd round. With a few other top players (Ding, Robertson, Hendry etc) to make their debut in these events and others like Ryan Day yet to win a match, many more fascinating matches will materialise, which in my opinion creates interest and gives first year pro's a fairer chance of staying on the main tour than has been the case in previous years.

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                      • #12
                        Originally Posted by JanieWatkins View Post
                        The "amateur" round does not have referees - no different to first event

                        Every pro match is refereed

                        "so much criticism"??
                        only criticism I've seen is from forum writers who aren't even players in the events.

                        If players equate extra days, better venues versus costings which detracts from the prize pot, they are choosing the prize fund every time.
                        Slight tweaks are still needed though. I think that the first round needs to be best of 5, so you and the players aren't reporting/playing at silly o'clock. I agree they shouldn't have a start time after 8pm.

                        The live streaming and the live scoring will become better in time. This is only the 2nd event.

                        I hate this cliche, I've heard it so often, but it's very appropriate in this sense: "Rome wasn't built in a day!"

                        You see them more than us, what is the reaction from the players?

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                        • #13
                          I think these events should have been a lot better thought out and planned. For me there are too many entrants to these events, too many players who I'm afraid to say are just making up the numbers and wasting valuable time. What is the point in having anyone able to play these events if they aren't realisticly going anywhere in the game? How can non professionals be entered into an event when ranking points are at stake? If they want to have these rules then surely every single snooker event should be run this way, lets go back to having 800 odd professionals and 3 month long qualifying periods for the whole ranking event calendar.

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                          • #14
                            Ultimately new events like this aren't going to be perfect from the off and fine tuning will be required but at least the new board appear to be prepared to try things and when they don't work, make changes as they have with the start times. Having just had a season with a grand total of six rankings events, I think that everyone, both players and fans needs to just have a little patience while a workable formula is found.

                            With just 10 days or so between the last event and this one it was always going to be tough for the organisers to make dramatic changes but with a month before the third event hopefully they will have time to listen to feedback and implement a few of the more sensible suggestions.

                            If we were six months down the line and there are still serious problems that were causing problems then fair enough but it's July. Most other years the players would still have been on the golf course which surely says a lot.
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                            • #15
                              Originally Posted by ltfc39 View Post

                              You see them more than us, what is the reaction from the players?
                              Well this is the reaction from Barry Pinches...
                              "Janie you remember what it used to be like? We played events every week, every weekend, and mid week matches.
                              We're snooker players. this is what we do and what we want to be doing.
                              We haven't had so many playing opportunities for years.
                              I'm sorry for the fans that can't see these events but they will be able to in the EPTCs."
                              Janie Watkins
                              On Q Promotions / South West Snooker Academy
                              All views are my own and in no way represent On Q or the Academy

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