Provisional Rankinga - PTC4 Updated

[ltfc39]

Here are the provisional rankings at the conclusion of the 4th Players Tour Championship event at the World Snooker Academy in Sheffield. I've also included minimum points for the Shanghai Masters and World Open:

1. Neil Robertson
2. John Higgins
3. Allister Carter
4. Ronnie O'Sullivan
5. Stephen Maguire
6. Shaun Murphy
7. Ding Junhui
8. Mark Williams MBE
9. Mark Selby
10. Mark Allen
11. Stephen Hendry MBE
12. Graeme Dott
13. Marco Fu
14. Mark King
15. Peter Ebdon
16. Ryan Day
17. Matthew Stevens
18. Jamie Cope
19. Stephen Lee
20. Liang Wenbo
21. Mark Davis
22. Joe Perry
23. Barry Hawkins
24. Stuart Bingham
25. Gerard Greene
26. Ricky Walden
27. Ken Doherty
28. Steve Davis OBE
29. Judd Trump
30. Robert Milkins
31. Martin Gould
32. Tom Ford
33. Mike Dunn
34. Andrew Higginson
35. Michael Holt
36. Barry Pinches
37. Joe Swail
38. Nigel Bond
39. Rory McLeod
40. Marcus Campbell
41. Dominic Dale
42. Stuart Pettman
43. Jamie Burnett
44. Anthony Hamilton
45. Fergal O'Brien
46. Dave Harold
47. Peter Lines
48. Andy Hicks
49. Adrian Gunnell
50. Matthew Selt
51. Rod Lawler
52. Ian McCulloch
53. Alan McManus
54. Michael Judge
55. Joe Delaney
56. Mark Joyce
57. Jimmy Michie
58. David Morris
59. Tony Drago
60. Patrick Wallace
61. Matthew Couch
62. Dave Gilbert
63. Paul Davies
64. Jimmy White MBE
65. Liu Song
66. Simon Bedford
67. Jimmy Robertson
68. Bjorn Haneveer
69. Alfie Burden
70. Anthony McGill
71. Igor Figueiredo
72. Joe Jogia
73. Liam Highfield
74. James Wattana
75. Jamie Jones
76. Michael White
77. Zhang Anda
78. Andrew Pagett
79. Jack Lisowski
80. Xiao Guodong
81. Liu Chuang
82. James McBain
83. Kurt Maflin
84. Kyren Wilson
85. Thanawat Tirapaipongboon
86. Adam Wicheard
87. Patrick Einsle
88. Paul Davison
89. Dermot McGlinchey
90. Justin Astley
91. Ben Woollaston
92. Jak Jones
93. Kuldesh Johal
94. Jamie O'Neill
95. Issara Kachaiwong
96. Noppon Saengkham
97. Reanne Evans

Big Movers:

- Barry Pinches has provisionally moved up 21 places since the start of the season.
- Martin Gould has moved up 12 places provisionally since the World Championship.
- Matthew Stevens is now just 220 points off the top 16.
- Liang Wenbo has fallen out of the top 16 provisionally; Peter Ebdon replaces him.
- Despite being currently suspended, John Higgins is still around 6,000 points ahead of Allister Carter directly below him

[wildJONESEYE]

i dont think liu song possition is safe no matter how high up the ranking he gets when johns back and if he is gone.

[rivercard]

The list on GSC is different, not quite sure why..

http://www.global-snooker.com/rankin...r-rankings.asp

[superaussie]

robbo

[ltfc39]

The list on GSC is different, not quite sure why..

http://www.global-snooker.com/rankin...r-rankings.asp

Minimum World Open points have not been added on.

[wildJONESEYE]

Minimum World Open points have not been added on.

Global List is all to cock they not taken off the points they should for shanghai,Grand Prix and Northern ireland trophy and Tony Drago did not have 14970 to start with he only had about 9,000 points so that list is just one big confusion so follow the rankings here http://prosnookerblog.com/rankings/2...onal-rankings/

[ddrIII]

Global List is all to cock they not taken off the points they should for shanghai,Grand Prix and Northern ireland trophy and Tony Drago did not have 14970 to start with he only had about 9,000 points so that list is just one big confusion so follow the rankings here http://prosnookerblog.com/rankings/2...onal-rankings/

Absolutely right. Matt's provisional ranking is correct but not Global or WSA.

[Mal]

Posted this on PSB...
It seems unfair that the likes of Tony Drago and others who joined the tour this season or last season have no points to take through for the 2008/09 season.

For example Drago is placed 59th, having finished the season 54th and he has done relatively well in the PTC.

Historically, there has been starter points and Drago (and others) had 5850 for the 2008/09 season - These surely shouldn't all be dropped as it means they have less counting tournaments, so a proportion should stay - if this was say 3500, then Drago would rise to 49th and if it was 3600 or more, he'd be in the top 48. It only seems fair as they give starter points for all those who didn't take part in 2009/10, that there should be dwindling proportio of started points for all those who didn't take part in 2009/10.

[rivercard]

Looking at Matt's list, the lack of starting points does look very unfair. In fact Tony is the only one who actually ovetakes anyone with starting points, all the others without starting points make up the bottom 31. Surely something should be done about this as these players face an uphill tackle just to stay on the Tour unless I'm missing something.

[Mal]

As the season goes on, then the starter points for 2008/09 will dwindle to the end of the season where no one will have any points for 2008/09. But they do have started points for 2009/10 for those new players.

It just means that all Tony's endeavours in 2009/10 and others as well in getting points from the season is limited as these are the only points they have whereas others have another 5 or 6 events counting from 2008/09. It means they have more qualifying to do perhaps than they would have done originally.
I think they almost need starter points for each tournament for those that didn't play in it, so players who come in next year will have starter points for 2010/11 and starter points for each tournament in 2009/10 which will be removed as the season progresses.

[rivercard]

I see. So the ranking list isn't that helpful at the moment in regards to see how the "new" players are doing.

[erezpa]

They should give starter points for each quarter-season a player wasnt on the main tour. that would be the same situation as last season. i.e give them shares of the 5850 starter points for each quarter I/0809, II/0809, III/0809, IV/0809, and shares of 5040 for I/0910, II/0910, III/0910, IV/0910!

btw: matt (PSB) has slightly different ranking positions 71-97 than in this table. as both of you have the provisional I/1011 ranking, and both included the minimum points for the world open, who is right?

[Matt_2745]

I do understand that changes are afoot as far as the starter points are concerned and that a letter has been sent to the players informing them of this. Exactly what is going to happen I don't know though.

I notice that on Global they are awarding 10890 starter points, but where this figure is from I am not sure as on the WSA site they have just awarded them 5040 as the equivalent of Ben Woollaston's tally from last season as normal. I have therefore just done the same for now.

Re: Liu Song, Grove Snooker who are his management group told me on Twitter that he isn't getting points, it's just an opportunity to play at this stage.

[Matt_2745]

btw: matt (PSB) has slightly different ranking positions 71-97 than in this table. as both of you have the provisional I/1011 ranking, and both included the minimum points for the world open, who is right?

Think that's because I've not included Liu Song.

[wildJONESEYE]

as the season goes on players like drago will be climing thoes rankings because theres nothing coming off for example at the end of season when all 2008/2009 points disapered Drago in 62nd spot will have 11,930 plus what he makes from other events this season and Rod Lawlor in 50th spot has 10,215 plus what he makes this season so as you see efectively for end of season rankings that keeps you on tour Drago has 1,715 more points than Rod Lawlor.

Martin Gould in 32 spot has less points than drago once All the 2008/2009 points been deducted after the WC.

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