The Grand Prix Draw

[In-off]

I think the format is a shambles that makes a mockery of the ranking list.

How is a best of five a proper test in a tournament carrying ranking points?

[xianx]

I fancy Ryan Day as an outside bet for this. He did well to
reach the Quarter Finals of The Northern Ireland Trophy and
he is my bet for a shock. Other than than that i would have
to say Ronnie O Sullivan as i expect him to get through the
group without to many problems

[..KiD DyNaMiTe..]

I think the format is a shambles that makes a mockery of the ranking list.

How is a best of five a proper test in a tournament carrying ranking points?

Exactly!!

(10.chr)

[The Statman]

I think the format is a shambles that makes a mockery of the ranking list.

How is a best of five a proper test in a tournament carrying ranking points?

But it isn't a best-of-five match, it is five best-of-five matches.

So the player has a minimum of 15 frames to play in the time he would have been playing a MAXIMUM of 9 – just that he will not have the same opponent each frame.

So unlike the best-of-9, where if you lose you're out of the competition, if you lose the best-of-5 you still have plenty of opportunity to make up for it in other matches.

I think it's a good idea to try it out; if it's seen as a success then fantastic; if it's not then at least it's been tried.

[Vidas]

So unlike the best-of-9, where if you lose you're out of the competition, if you lose the best-of-5 you still have plenty of opportunity to make up for it in other matches.

Though, in a tough group, situation when 3 or even 4 players in the group might have 3 wins and 2 losses is not impossible.
and they'll probably have to determine winners by frame difference,
then it's not just every match - every frame counts...

[The Statman]

Well yes, absolutely. And of course every frame should count.

In fact, I had not thought about this until now, you could say that every frame will count, more than in an ordinary 'best-of' game.

Arguably, if someone wins 5-2, you could argue that the 2, and two of the 5, don't really count for anything.

[The Statman]

I guess it is technically possible that 5 out of the 6 are tied in top position on 3 wins and 2 losses:

3-2
3-2
3-2
3-2
3-2
0-5

or equally joint second on 2-3 (with the winner on 5-0), which is important in that the top two go through, so a tiebreak would have to be carried out for second place.

[chasmmi]

If this is anything like football then it would go:

Points (Games won)
Frame difference
Frames won (as in an agregate of 12 frames to 6 is better than 11 to 5)
Head to head result. (If two players have the same figures then how they did against each other is considered.)

However one may argue that head to head should take precidence over total frames as it would look odd to finish behind a guy whom you beat.

Is there no guide to this available yet? You would have thought at least the players would like to know what they need to do to qualify.

[SteUK2006]

Anyone on here seen the draw for the qualifiers yet? Its been done but GlobalSnookerCentre.co.uk hasnt posted it yet, she hasnt had time.

Just want to know who is in John Parrott's group, and Jimmy White's too if its not too much trouble..

[gavhay]

I am also waiting for this. I think we may have to be patient

[gavhay]

full draw is now out on gsc!!

[mcmanusrules]

NR PLAYERS NAMES 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 MP MW FW FL FD FA POS
1A1 Ricky Walden 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1A2 Marcus Campbell 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1A3 Jimmy Michie 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1A4 Joe Delaney 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1A5 Matthew Couch 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1A6 Tian Pengfei 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1A7 Jamie Jones 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1A8 Issara Kachaiwong 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
GROUP 1B
NR PLAYERS NAMES 1 2 3 4 5 6 MP MW FW FL FD FA POS
1B1 Michael Judge 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1B2 Dominic Dale 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1B3 Shokat Ali 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1B4 Jamie Burnett 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1B5 Sean Storey 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1B6 Andrew Higginson 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1B7 Roy Stolk 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1B8 James Leadbetter 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
GROUP 1C
NR PLAYERS NAMES 1 2 3 4 5 6 MP MW FW FL FD FA POS
1C1 Rod Lawler 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1C2 Jamie Cope 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1C3 Rory McLeod 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1C4 Tony Drago 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1C5 Chris Melling 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1C6 Paul S Davison 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1C7 Mark Boyle 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1C8 Passakorn Suwannawat 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
GROUP 1D
NR PLAYERS NAMES 1 2 3 4 5 6 MP MW FW FL FD FA POS
1D1 John Parrott 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1D2 Drew Henry 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1D3 David Gilbert 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1D4 David Roe 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1D5 Judd Trump 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1D6 Ian Preece 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1D7 Dermot McGlinchey 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1D8 Jeff Cundy 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
GROUP 1E
NR PLAYERS NAMES 1 2 3 4 5 6 MP MW FW FL FD FA POS
1E1 Barry Pinches 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1E2 Gerard Greene 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1E3 Mike Dunn 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1E4 Scott MacKenzie 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1E5 Paul Wykes 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1E6 Liang Wenbo 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1E7 David Morris 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1E8 Peter Lines 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
GROUP 1F
NR PLAYERS NAMES 1 2 3 4 5 6 MP MW FW FL FD FA POS
1F1 Adrian Gunnell 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1F2 Fergal O'Brien 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1F3 Robin Hull 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1F4 Stuart Pettman 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1F5 Chris Norbury 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1F6 Liu Song 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1F7 Alex Borg 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1F8 Mohammed Shehab 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
GROUP 1G
NR PLAYERS NAMES 1 2 3 4 5 6 MP MW FW FL FD FA POS
1G1 Dave Harold 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1G2 Mark Davis 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1G3 Paul Davies 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1G4 Andrew Norman 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1G5 Mark Joyce 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1G6 Lee Page 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1G7 Robert Stephen 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1G8 Ben Woollaston 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
GROUP 1H
NR PLAYERS NAMES 1 2 3 4 5 6 MP MW FW FL FD FA POS
1H1 Tom Ford 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1H2 Jimmy White 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1H3 Mark Allen 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1H4 Joe Jogia 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1H5 Alfie Burden 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1H6 Lee Spick 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1H7 Patrick Einsle 0 0 0 0 0 #DIV/0!
1H8 BYE

[Alex0paul]

Looking at Judd's recent results in the Pontins Series (or whatever its called) I reckon he could finally make an impact in a tournament. I also think maybe the pressure on im last season to do well is off and will be much more experienced. Plus his qualifying group isnt too taxing and I can see him and Dermot McGlinchey qualifying.

[hegeland]

Time table, qualifiers.

Saturday 30 Sept
10.00am
Ricky Walden V Marcus Campbell
Michael Judge V Dominic Dale
Rod Lawler V Jamie Cope
John Parrott V Drew Henry

11.30am
Jimmy Michie V Joe Delaney
Shokat Ali V Jamie Burnett
Rory McLeod V Tony Drago
David B Gilbert V David Roe

1.30pm
Matthew Couch V Tian Pengfei
Sean Storey V Andrew Higginson
Chris Melling V Paul S Davison
Judd Trump V Ian Preece

3.00pm
Jamie Jones V Issara Kachaiwong
Roy Stolk V James Leadbetter
Mark Boyle V Passakorn Suwannawat
Dermot McGlinchey V Jeff Cundy

4.30pm
Ricky Walden V Jimmy Michie
Michael Judge V Shokat Ali
Rod Lawler V Rory McLeod
John Parrott V David B Gilbert

6.30pm
Marcus Campbell V Joe Delaney
Dominic Dale V Jamie Burnett
Jamie Cope V Tony Drago
Drew Henry V David Roe

Sunday 1 Oct
10.00am
Matthew Couch V Jamie Jones
Sean Storey V Roy Stolk
Chris Melling V Mark Boyle
Judd Trump V Dermot McGlinchey

11.30am
Tian Pengfei V Issara Kachaiwong
Andrew Higginson V James Leadbetter
Paul S Davison V Passakorn Suwannawat
Ian Preece V Jeff Cundy

1.30pm
Ricky Walden V Joe Delaney
Michael Judge V Jamie Burnett
Rod Lawler V Tony Drago
John Parrott V David Roe

3.00pm
Marcus Campbell V Matthew Couch
Dominic Dale V Sean Storey
Jamie Cope V Chris Melling
Drew Henry V Judd Trump

4.30pm
Jimmy Michie V Jamie Jones
Shokat Ali V Roy Stolk
Rory McLeod V Mark Boyle
David B Gilbert V Dermot McGlinchey

6.30pm
Ricky Walden V Issara Kachaiwong
Michael Judge V James Leadbetter
Rod Lawler V Passakorn Suwannawat
John Parrott V Jeff Cundy

Monday 2 Oct
10.00am
Marcus Campbell V Tian Pengfei
Dominic Dale V Andrew Higginson
Jamie Cope V Paul S Davison
Drew Henry V Ian Preece

11.30am
Joe Delaney V Matthew Couch
Jamie Burnett V Sean Storey
Tony Drago V Chris Melling
David Roe V Judd Trump

1.30pm
Jimmy Michie V Issara Kachaiwong
Shokat Ali V James Leadbetter
Rory McLeod V Passakorn Suwannawat
David B Gilbert V Jeff Cundy

3.00pm
Ricky Walden V Tian Pengfei
Michael Judge V Andrew Higginson
Rod Lawler V Paul S Davison
John Parrott V Ian Preece

4.30pm
Marcus Campbell V Jamie Jones
Dominic Dale V Roy Stolk
Jamie Cope V Mark Boyle
Drew Henry V Dermot McGlinchey

6.30pm
Joe Delaney V Issara Kachaiwong
Jamie Burnett V James Leadbetter
Tony Drago V Passakorn Suwannawat
David Roe V Jeff Cundy

Tuesday 3 Oct
10.00am
Tian Pengfei V Jamie Jones
Andrew Higginson V Roy Stolk
Paul S Davison V Mark Boyle
Ian Preece V Dermot McGlinchey

11.30am
Marcus Campbell V Jimmy Michie
Dominic Dale V Shokat Ali
Jamie Cope V Rory McLeod
Drew Henry V David B Gilbert

1.30pm
Matthew Couch V Issara Kachaiwong
Sean Storey V James Leadbetter
Chris Melling V Passakorn Suwannawat
Judd Trump V Jeff Cundy

3.00pm
Jimmy Michie V Tian Pengfei
Shokat Ali V Andrew Higginson
Rory McLeod V Paul S Davison
David B Gilbert V Ian Preece

4.30pm
Joe Delaney V Jamie Jones
Jamie Burnett V Roy Stolk
Tony Drago V Mark Boyle
David Roe V Dermot McGlinchey

6.30pm
Ricky Walden V Matthew Couch
Michael Judge V Sean Storey
Rod Lawler V Chris Melling
John Parrott V Judd Trump

Wednesday 4 Oct
10.00am
Marcus Campbell V Issara Kachaiwong
Dominic Dale V James Leadbetter
Jamie Cope V Passakorn Suwannawat
Drew Henry V Jeff Cundy

11.30am
Joe Delaney V Tian Pengfei
Jamie Burnett V Andrew Higginson
Tony Drago V Paul S Davison
David Roe V Ian Preece

1.30pm
Ricky Walden V Jamie Jones
Michael Judge V Roy Stolk
Rod Lawler V Mark Boyle
John Parrott V Dermot McGlinchey

3.00pm
Jimmy Michie V Matthew Couch
Shokat Ali V Sean Storey
Rory McLeod V Chris Melling
David B Gilbert V Judd Trump


All matches are best of 5 frames.
All matches are played on a roll on/ roll off basis but will not start before the times indicated.
Play will start at the allocated time each day with a short interval between matches.

[missneworleans]

The Draw has been made for the SECOND group stage, we know 4 of the 6 players in each group, but the STAGE 1 draw has yet to be made:



Stage 2
Group A

John Higgins I think Hawkins, Wattana,Mcmanus will set a good fight
Barry Hawkins
James Wattana
Alan McManus
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Group B

Shaun Murphy Again a favourite, but a second man in a question!
Ali Carter
Ryan Day
Mark King
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Group C

Ronnie O'Sullivan Again fight for second man
Steve Davis
Marco Fu
Michael Holt
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Group D

Ken Doherty I think Bond has no chances
Neil Robertson
Joe Swail
Nigel Bond
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Group E

Stephen Hendry Hendry and Stevens got to be the winners
Matthew Stevens
Mark Selby
Andy Hicks
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Group F

Mark Williams Well, can Bingham and MccCuloch push Lee?!
Stephen Lee
Stuart Bingham
Ian McCulloch
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Group G

Peter Ebdon Ebdon is not at very good form
Anthony Hamilton
Rob Milkins
David Gray
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Group H

Graeme Dott The most interesting group! All has got chances!
Stephen Maguire
Joe Perry
Ding Junhui
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Can quailifaers change things in groups?
I marked my opinion in red