Qualifying Round results

[April madness]

Thanks Snookersfun!

[Sarmu]

I think without rule 6 would be alot better

[cap]

I think without rule 6 would be alot better

Absolutely, frame difference is a better measurement of a player’s overall performance in the stage than head-to-head which is just one match. The current rule is silly.

[The Statman]

Just thinking about this a bit more...

This means that, as it stands, Jones came 2nd and Walden 3rd.

But... if another player had also tied in this position but with a worse frame difference, Walden would have come 2nd and Jones 3rd, with the other player 4th.

So it means that the performance of every other player in the group has, indirectly, decided in which order Walden and Jones occupy 2nd and 3rd positions.

Sounds a bit odd to me.

[elvaago]

I agree. Let's all email Worldsnooker and bash their brains in with-- I mean reason with them or ask for clarification.

[The Statman]

I will email WS now and see their thoughts.

[snookersfun]

doesn't seem fair at all. Frame difference should say much more about a player's ability than one odd game lost (on an off day)

[elvaago]

I'll await the reply with barely controlled anticipation!

[rambon]

The best comment in all this came from the Statman. The professionals all know the situation before they start.

Neither way is 100% fair. You could beat someone 3-0, finish level with them and still go out if frame difference is taken into account. Looking at it the other way, you could win every game 3-0, lose two matches 3-2 and still go out if one of the matches you lost was to a guy who won all bar two of his matches.

Set the rules to start with. Publish them clearly so that the players and officials know them and stick to them.

(RANT MODE ON)

The thing that infuriates me about sports commentators in general is that they don't know the competition rules before they start commentating. How can you expect to be taken seriously if you don't know what's going on?

Case in point. 8-6 during the World Championships first round last year and the French commentator said, that Player X (can't remember who it was) was one frame away from the final. When Player X won the frame, he said that was the end and couldn't understand why they hadn't finished. Muppetry of the highest order.

(RANT MODE OFF)

[The Statman]

Many happy returns Rambon and thank you for your comments, particularly for including the 'The' in my name!

[snookersfun]

group E nearly finished
Wenbo in and should be Greene as well either way

GROUP 1E
NR PLAYERS NAMES MP MW FW FL FD POS
1E1 Barry Pinches 7 3 12 16 -4
1E2 Gerard Greene 6 4 16 11 5
1E3 Mike Dunn 7 2 12 16 -4
1E4 Scott MacKenzie 7 4 14 15 -1
1E5 Paul Wykes 7 2 9 17 -8
1E6 Liang Wenbo 7 5 18 9 9
1E7 David Morris 7 4 14 11 3
1E8 Peter Lines 6 3 13 13 0
Gerard Greene 2-2 Peter Lines
Scott Mackenzie 3-1 Liang Wenbo
Barry Pinches 3-0 David Morris
Mike Dunn 3-0 Paul Wykes

[The Statman]

I sent the following email to WS:

sorry to bombard you with another query.
It has occurred in Group A, that Messrs Walden and Jones have occupied 2nd and 3rd position and Jones has gone through, by virtue of the head-to-head result.
However, Walden’s frame difference is superior to Jones’s.
As I understand it, if another player had also tied in this position but with a worse frame difference, Walden would have come 2nd and Jones 3rd, with the other player 4th.
So it appears that the performance of every other player in the group (not including their matches against Walden and Jones) has, indirectly, decided in which order Walden and Jones occupy 2nd and 3rd positions.
Sounds a bit odd to me. Could you clarify that the position as we understand it is correct?
Cheers
Chris

And the response was:

Hi Chris
The full competition rules are explained here
http://www.worldsnooker.com/tourname...d18154)-55.htm

[The Statman]

...and a source fairly high up in the knows-what's-going-on stakes reports that there is some dissatisfaction among players at Prestatyn.

Presumably not just about the weather!

[hegeland]

I don't know much about the specific case here, but I think they should use a similar system as the IPT has. I've heard no complaints from the players there.

[dannyd0g]

...and a source fairly high up in the knows-what's-going-on stakes reports that there is some dissatisfaction among players at Prestatyn.

Presumably not just about the weather!

I would imagine Walden may not be one of the happiest of campers at the moment.