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    Ok the way I see it the groups are currently like this:

    (again I am sorry if such a thread exists in the questions or lounge section)

    Group A

    Higgins is through whatever happens can be first or second though first is most likely.
    Hawkins is out
    Mcmanus will go through if he wins both matches however will still go out if he wins both 3-2. He will win the group if he has two 3-0 victories but can top the group with a 3-1 win over higgins provided he beats Wattana 3-0
    Wattana is out
    Dale is out
    Kachaiwong is through if Mcmanus loses a match or plays ten frames. Can only come second.

    So its Higgins plus Kachaiwong or Mcmanus

    Group B

    Michael Judge is out
    Day is through if he wins a game as FD will be superior
    If King Or Murphy win both their matches Jones Is out
    Jones must beat everyone to stand a chance
    Carter has to beat Murphy to stand a chance
    If Murphy wins both games 3-0 he is through
    Basically very open group

    Anyone except Judge can qualify

    Group C

    O Sullivan is group winner
    If Holt beats Cope he is through. He can go out if it comes down to head to head if Cope as that will mean he has lost to him. Can also go out if he loses and Roe has big wins
    Davis is out
    Fu is out
    If Cope wins both games he is through as long as O Sullivan beats Roe If Roe beats O Sullivan then he needs heavy wins especially against Holt.
    If Roe wins both games 3-0 and Holt loses to Cope he is through. Can go through with smaller victories depending on the margin of Cope required victory over Holt

    Ronnie wins group Holt, Cope or Roe can come second

    Group D

    If Doherty beats Swail he is through If he loses he is out.
    If he Beats Davison he is Through, If Swail beats Doherty he is through regardless.
    Bond is Out
    If Swail Beats Doherty he is through. If Davison beats Robertson he is through regardless of result against Doherty
    Trump is out
    Davison is out

    It is two from Doherty, Robertson and Swail

    Group E

    Stevens, Selby and O Brien still capable of four wins but only a maximun of two of them can achieve this. So anyone with 4 wins goes through.
    Hicks is out
    Hendry must win both games to stand a chance but if Selby and Stevens both win twice more it will not be enough
    Wengo must beat Hendry and hope for similar circumstances

    Therefore anyone can still qualify except Hicks

    Group F

    Williams has withdrawn
    If Lee wins both mathces he is through can feasably qualify by just beating Hull
    Must win both matches and hope things go his way If Hull beats McCulloch he is out
    McCulloch is through as his FD is too good to go out
    Greene can go through if he beats Bingham and Hull loses both games
    If Hull wins both games he is through. Can again go through with just one more victory
    It is possible for three players to finish on two wins behind McCulloch so not much is clear

    McCulloch is through nobody is definately out

    Group G

    Ebdon Must win all Three games to stand a chance but needs at least Gray to lose both his games or Milkins to lose at least two of his last three games and it still may not be enough.
    Hamilton is out bar everyone else spraining their wrists
    If Gray wins both games left he is through. One could well be enough.
    If Milkins wins all remaining games he is through although two may well be enough.
    If Ford wins all his remaining games he is through.
    If Woolaston wins all his remaining games he is through

    With Four players still capable of getting four wins it seems three will not be enough to qualify from this group. Leaving Ebdon in big trouble.

    However only Hamilton is certainly out.

    Group H

    Dott Must beat Norman and hope that Perry and Ding drop matches but it still may not be enough,
    Maguire must beat Ding and hope Perry loses at least one game. Still may not be enough.
    If Perry wins Both remaing matches he is through. Can qualify with two out of three if Ding also loses a game but not guarenteed.
    If Ding wins all three matches he is through can qualify with two wins if Perry drops a game but not guarenteed.
    If Norman beats Dott he is through. Can qualify if he loses
    Allen is out.

    By my working If Dott beats Norman, Maguire beats Ding, Perry beats Allen, Ding beats Perry and Ding beats Allen then five players will finish with three wins so anything is feasable.

    All that is certain: Allen is out.

    I apologise for mistakes and hope this doesnt exist elsewhere and this did take forever to do so if other matches have finished sorry. THis was done mostly for me but if it helps someone else then great.

  • #2
    So top 16 probably looks like:

    Higgins/Mcmanus vs Hendry/Stevens/Selby/O Brien/Wenbo

    Day/Murphy/Cater/King/Jones vs Lee/Bingham/McCulloch/Greene/Hull

    O Sullivan vs Ebdon/Gray/Milkins/Ford/Woolaston

    Doherty/Robertson/Swail vs Dott/Maguire/Perry/Ding/Norman

    Hendry/Stevens/Selby/O Brien/Wenbo vs Higgins/Mcmanus/Kachaiwong

    Lee/McCulloch/Hull vs Day/Murphy/Cater/King/Jones

    Ebdon/Gray/Milkins/Ford/Woolaston vs Holt/Cope/Roe

    Dott/Maguire/Perry/Ding/Norman vs Doherty/Robertson/Swail

    So there clear as mud. At least it narrows down potential last 16 predictions.

    I hope I've covered everything but now I just want to think of other things like butterflies and tramampolines.

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    • #3
      Very nice compliation. Me being a sucker for all kind of group speculations in this kind of events is annoyed beyond belief by the lack of comprehension in the order of play and the difficulty to overview the situation. Thanks a lot

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      • #4
        Right so a little update:

        Group A

        Higgins Is definately through and will be group Winner unless Mcmanus beats him 3-1 or better
        Hawkins is out
        Mcmanus has to beat Higgins to qualify. If he wins 3-1 or better he wins the group.
        Wattana is out
        Dale is out
        Kachaiwong is group runner up if higgins wins or out if Mcmanus wins.

        So it is Higgins plus Mcmanus or Kachaiwong still

        Group B

        Murphy is through if he wins boths matches, can qualify with one win depending on other results
        Carter must beat Murphy and hope
        If Day wins a game he is through, feasibly could lose both and go through but not certain
        King Must beat Day and hope
        Judge is out
        Jones must win both games and hope, will probably need heavy wins too.

        So Day and Murphy have fate in their own hands still others have to win and hope but still only Judge who is out.

        Group C

        O Sullivan is group winner
        Davis is out
        Holt is through if Roe beats Cope butif Cope wins he is out
        Fu Is out
        If Cope beats Roe he is through
        Roe is Out

        O Sullivan is Group winner, Holt or Cope is runner up.

        Group D

        Doherty is group runner up
        Robertson is group winner
        Bond is out
        Swail is out
        Trump is out
        Davison is out

        Robertson group winner, Doherty runner up.

        Group E

        If Hendry wins both games and Stevens beats Selby then he is through
        If Stevens wins another game he is through and can qualify if he loses both. Is also guarenteed to qualify if Selby wins both his games.
        If Selby wins both his games he is through and will take Stevens through with him. One win could also be enough if Hendry doesnt win all his matches
        Hicks is out.
        O Brien must in both games to stand a chance, will want Hendry to beat Wenbo and Stevens to beat Selby in a perfect world.
        Wenbo must beat Hendry and hope Selby loses both matches

        Stevens and Selby have fate in their own hands but only Hicks is out for certain.

        Group F

        If Lee wins both games he is through looks likely that he has to at least beat Hull
        Bingham must win both games heavily and have Hull beat Lee to stand a chance.
        McCulloch is through and will be group winner if he beats Lee
        Greene must beat Bingham to stand a chance
        If Hull wins boths games he is through can qualify with one win and has the superior frame difference. Does not want to be in a two way tie with the player he loses to though

        So McCulloch is through, Lee and Hull can still control their fate nobody is out.

        Group G

        Ebdon is out
        Hamilton is out
        If Gray wins both games he is through, If he beats Ford is is through. Can go through even if he loses both mathces depending on results
        Milkins is through if he wins both games but can qualify with one win win or even two losses depending on results. Only needs one win if Ford drops a Game.
        Ford is through if he wins both his games, can possibly qualify with one wine.
        Wollaston needs to win both matches and have Gry or Milkins lose both of theirs to stand a chance.

        So it is two from Gray, Milkins, Ford and Wollaston with the first three still able to control their fate.

        Group H

        Dott is out as his FD cannot overtake two players
        Maguire is through if Perry and Dott win their games. Is out if Norman beats Dott. Is out if Ding wins both games with a postive FD of 3 or more.
        Perry can only go out if Norman wins and Ding wins both games heavily.
        If Ding wins both games dropping one frame or less he is through. can go through winning both matches dropping three frames or less on the condition Norman Loses.
        If Norman wins he is through, if he loses he is out and could finish as low as fifth.
        Allen is out.

        So Perry looks through, Norman has an all or nothing game against Dott, Maguire has to hope for a near miracle and Ding can still rely on himself if he gets big wins especially against Perry.

        Its all a bit clearer now but still makes head hurt. But how does that make the potential last 16 look?

        The answer will come in a few mins...

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        • #5
          So the last 16 is now:

          Higgins/Mcmanus vs Hendry/Stevens/Selby/O Brien/Wenbo

          Murphy/Carter/Day/King/Jones vs Lee/Bingham/McCulloch/Greene/Hull

          O Sullivan vs Gray/Milkins/Ford/Woolaston

          Robertson vs Maguire/Perry/Junhui/Norman

          Stevens/Selby vs Higgins/Kachaiwong

          Lee/McCulloch/Hull vs Murphy/Carter/Day/King/Jones

          Gray/Milkins/Ford vs Cope/Holt

          Perry/Ding/Norman vs Doherty

          All info above is subject to uselessness.

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          • #6
            Good analysis, chasmmi.
            2006 Premier League Prediction Contest Winner

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            • #7
              Last 16 now looks like:

              Alan Mcmanus vs Stevens/Selby/O Brien

              Murphy/Carter/Day/King/Jones vs McCulloch/Hull

              O Sullivan vs Gray/Ford

              Robertson vs Ding/Perry/Norman

              Selby/Stevens vs Higgins

              McCulloch/Lee vs Murphy/Carter/Day/King/Jones

              Milkins vs Cope

              Norman/Perry vs Doherty

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