Wenbo whitewashed Bond in a bit over an hour 5-0

[Monique]

Yes Robert, that's where we disagree

You are right when you say it would have been damage limitation, but damage limitation sometimes allows you to hang around and gives you the time you need to get things to click in place. Of course it does not always work, but it would have been worth a try. That's my opinion anyway.

I admit I have been unusually harsh in the way I expressed myself. But then I have been unusually annoyed at Wenbo's stubborn all out attack during that match. I had somehow high expectations and was really disapointed by the way he handled the situation.

[poolqjunkie]

I don't think there was anything in JH play that forced Wenbo to play like he did on that particular day. Higgins was far from his best and certainly not "scoring heavily"
Frame scores were
John Higgins 5-1 Liang Wenbo 87(53)-1, 71(38)-43(41), 12-69(69), 93(68)-12, 64(36)-37(36), 69-15.
Highest break was 69 and was Wenbo's.

I have nothing against you, I just disagree with your post. I just hope we are clear on that.

Wenbo went for shots that he felt good about, but missed, then was punished time and time again by Higgins. Higgins is an expert with tactic in my opinion, and he was a very intelligent player. Higgins certainly scored heavy enough to win the frames, or else he would not have won. Even in today's standards, you dont see many players having 100+ breaks all the time. The number itself should not be used to judge a player's performance solely. To beat a player liek Wenbo, yopu cannot just reply on your safeties, you need to have the break building and potting power to go with it--lots of lower ranked players simply do not have that, and that include the "old fox" you though should have won against Wenbo's "no brain" style.

I do not think you understand what I was trying to say about scoring heavily when the opportunities comes, and forcing/trapping Wenbo to take the tougher shot. Perhaps one needs to really play the game to understand that?

You said Wenbo played with "no brain" so you are obvioulsy biased toward his game to begin with. You are also very biased toward Ebdon, and refuse to accept anything pointing other wise. You said you will not trust Ebdon with ANYTHING eventhough you do nto know him at all and the only thing you have to go by yoru statement was what he did to ROS years ago which had nothign to do with match fixing whatsoever.

So, i am not going to discuss with you on this issue anymore, We will just have to agree to disagree.

I started this thread not to argue with you. Just want to show the info to the members about Wenbo's game. I think he is a breath breath into the snooker world, and is enjoyable to watch.

[Monique]

Ok let's agree to disagree.

Just one thing though. Yes I said Wenbo played with no brains in that match, and I mean it. I'm not biased against his game. I had higher expectations about it ... as I explained in my answer to Robert. I'm disapointed that at 21 he isn't able to revert to some sort of B game when needed as I think this will stop him to get really high in the rankings. Time will tell.
BTW. I do play the game.

Ebdon is another question. And true I don't like him or rather the perception I have of him through his public persona and his behaviour on several occasions. We are all different persons and it isn't surprising we do see things differently.

There wouldn't be any debate if we all thought the same. And no forums

[poolqjunkie]

Ok let's agree to disagree.

Just one thing though. Yes I said Wenbo played with no brains in that match, and I mean it. I'm not biased against his game. I had higher expectations about it ... as I explained in my answer to Robert. I'm disapointed that at 21 he isn't able to revert to some sort of B game when needed as I think this will stop him to get really high in the rankings. Time will tell.
BTW. I do play the game.

Ebdon is another question. And true I don't like him or rather the perception I have of him through his public persona and his behaviour on several occasions. We are all different persons and it isn't surprising we do see things differently.

There wouldn't be any debate if we all thought the same. And no forums

I see, thanks for taking the time to clarify your point of view. I like your post with the Begian open, the pictures, and other news release and such. You are very articulate(much better than me) and I appreciate the discussion.

[Monique]

I see, thanks for taking the time to clarify your point of view. I like your post with the Begian open, the pictures, and other news release and such. You are very articulate(much better than me) and I appreciate the discussion.

Thank you. Be assured I also appreciate the discussion. And even if I can be very assertive, and sometimes might express strong disagreement in the heat of a debate ... it never is personal.

[Fist of Fury]

I am a big fan of wenbo and his attacking style. His one problem is, and I agree with monique here, that his style of play won't help him consistently win

He will produce some big upsets and maybe get to a quarter, but with those tactics, he will have offdays, and those like ronnie are bound to find ways to trap him into giving them the match.

I do like his play, and he should play how he likes. The rough goes with the smooth, but if he wants to be a serious player he needs coaching on shot selection

He is a breath of fresh air and a character. I was seriously getting worried after seeing ding/chaung/long, that there were no real characters to be had in china and that maybe they were all emotionless.

So wenbo is 1 player I am already a huge fan of and I know by looking at his break building what a player he could be with some extra fine tuning.