Players Tour Championship Event 3

[hotpot]

Mr P when williams is at his best then only an in form Ronnie can stop him . Ronnie always produces his best snooker against Mark and i think it has a lot to do with the respect he has for him .

[Mr P]

You can't bring Ronnie into it.

Anywyas, let's just leave it, and look forward to PTC3.

[hotpot]

You can't bring Ronnie into it.

Anywyas, let's just leave it, and look forward to PTC3.

Why not of course you can . Dont half talk some rubbish sometimes aye .

[gavhay]

Mr P when williams is at his best then only an in form Ronnie can stop him . Ronnie always produces his best snooker against Mark and i think it has a lot to do with the respect he has for him .

Agreed. Mark lost his way for a few years but when he is at his best then literally nobody can stop him, he is a machine. He also holds the record for winning consecutive first round matches in ranking events. I am sure it was something like 50 matches spanning several seasons, a feat that will surely never be beaten.

[hotpot]

Agreed. Mark lost his way for a few years but when he is at his best then literally nobody can stop him, he is a machine. He also holds the record for winning consecutive first round matches in ranking events. I am sure it was something like 50 matches spanning several seasons, a feat that will surely never be beaten.

When he was at the very top of his game he produced snooker that in my opinion topped anything that anyone has produced , and that includes Ronnie, Davis , Hendry , and Higgins .

[gavhay]

We'll see mate.

Selby has already won the Masters twice, Welsh Open once and World Championship runner-up.

What had Williams achieved by this time in his career?

Selby is 27, by the time Williams was 28, he had won 2 masters, 2 world championships and in total 15 ranking events. There is no comparison even at their relevent ages Mr P.

[hotpot]

Selby is 27, by the time Williams was 28, he had won 2 masters, 2 world championships and in total 15 ranking events. There is no comparison even at their relevent ages Mr P.

There we are mr p straight from the horses mouth , need we say more . thought not . :snooker::snooker:

[hotpot]

All is quiet

[Mr P]

No - Mr P has a life and he isn't online all the time.

So you're telling me Williams has achieved nothing in the past 7 years?

[hotpot]

Go and look at his record , it speaks for itself

[Mr P]

It speaks that he has done naff all in the last 7 years.

[Matt_2745]

Got to be Williams for me, he's one of the all-time greats and between around 97-03 in what was for me the strongest era that snooker has ever seen in terms of strength at the top of the game, he won two world titles, completed the BBC Slam and reigned as world number one for three years. Says it all really.

Yes he has struggled to repeat that form during the past few years but having won so much it is understandable that his motivation might not have been what it was during those glory years and off the table I gather that things weren't ideal for him.

Selby meanwhile is a very strong player, probably one of the top four in the world at the moment in my view and I would expect him to win the world title within the next three years. Despite that though he's not on the same level as Williams for me and I can't ever imagine him being.

Nothing against him at all, far from it, I just remember how good Williams was and don't see Selby matching his achievements in what for me is a weaker era at the very top.

[Giggity1984]

Got to be Williams for me, he's one of the all-time greats and between around 97-03 in what was for me the strongest era that snooker has ever seen in terms of strength at the top of the game, he won two world titles, completed the BBC Slam and reigned as world number one for three years. Says it all really.

Yes he has struggled to repeat that form during the past few years but having won so much it is understandable that his motivation might not have been what it was during those glory years and off the table I gather that things weren't ideal for him.

Selby meanwhile is a very strong player, probably one of the top four in the world at the moment in my view and I would expect him to win the world title within the next three years. Despite that though he's not on the same level as Williams for me and I can't ever imagine him being.

Nothing against him at all, far from it, I just remember how good Williams was and don't see Selby matching his achievements in what for me is a weaker era at the very top.

^^100% agree with what Matt said!

[Mr P]

Matt is right, Williams has been the better player in the past, but I can see Selby achieveing more than him by the time Selby reaches Marks' age.

[Matt_2745]

Time will tell on that front, it's possible in terms of World Championships certainly, although I would be surprised if he were to get up there in terms of ranking titles won.

As I tried to say above though, it wasn't so much the achievements on paper that impressed me about Williams at his peak but a)the standard of play that he produced and b) the calibre of the opposition that he did it against.

Perhaps Selby will win three or four world titles and overtake Williams, I don't quite see it but you never know, but until that happens then you I find it hard to see how Selby can be regarded as being 'better' as Williams, other than if you are looking at their 2010 levels of play and even then it's a toss up.