Shanghai Masters Discussions Thread

[Ellena]

I think this could be a close match, both players are playing well... personally predicted Lee to win, but my predictions are somewhat off lately

Same thoughts here ..only i've predicted Dott to win . I havent seen Lee playing , so i cant really estimate his chances .. but I had to pick a winner and i picked Dott .

[PaulTheSoave]

At least Stevens got ranking points to get back into the top 16. On the other hand he confirmed he does not have the consistency to go all the way. Hes a bottler and he will always be one, I am afraid!

I hope Day will finally get a ranking title under his belt.

[Semih_Sayginer]

Hes a bottler and he will always be one, I am afraid!

totally disagree

he HAS achieved much more than the average pro snooker player.

one of the best out of millions of players worldwide

perhaps not got what it takes to be number 1, but certainly dont get as far in the game as he has done without bottle

[Ellena]

totally disagree

he HAS achieved much more than the average pro snooker player.

one of the best out of millions of players worldwide

perhaps not got what it takes to be number 1, but certainly dont get as far in the game as he has done without bottle

I second this. Good post.

[PaulTheSoave]

True, achieved more than the average player. But not enough to win the ultimate, what its all about. A bottler in my book when it matters. 2 world finals and the Murphy comeback is enough evidence for me. In my post, I of course compare him with the best players (where he could have been) not with the average club player.

totally disagree

he HAS achieved much more than the average pro snooker player.

one of the best out of millions of players worldwide

perhaps not got what it takes to be number 1, but certainly dont get as far in the game as he has done without bottle

[Semih_Sayginer]

True, achieved more than the average player. But not enough to win the ultimate, what its all about. A bottler in my book when it matters. 2 world finals and the Murphy comeback is enough evidence for me.

entitled to your opinion of what a bottler is, as am i PTS.

i like good debate

i dont think jimmy white is a bottler. he maybe bottled 1 final. 2 max. he made the final several times. showed lots of bottle to get there

machoo is a top player out of millions who play the game

hes been in the top 10% of snooker pros or so, for about 10 years

to me, that takes a lot of bottle, the amount of matches against players who (you must think) have more bottle and are better

as i said, hes no bottler for me. one of the best pros about, and used bottle and skill to get there. just because he may not have what it takes to be number 1, or to win a worlds doesnt mean hes a bottler

using that, theres not too many players over the years who arent bottlers, especially since the start of the crucible years

everyone else bottlers? or just came up against better players most times?

[April madness]

I guess then you can say Ryan is a bottler too, cos he hasn't wont any ranking event yet - always losing to someone. I don't think that's right thing to say.


edit: excellent post Semih

[Semih_Sayginer]

True, achieved more than the average player. But not enough to win the ultimate, what its all about. A bottler in my book when it matters. 2 world finals and the Murphy comeback is enough evidence for me. In my post, I of course compare him with the best players (where he could have been) not with the average club player.

replying to the bit you edited in....if you look at my post i compared him to your averaGE PRO player too



and i say hes much better than the average pro.....more than 50% of pros are bottlers?

[Nina]

Thoughts rehearsed in case Matthew lost:

*Well he did better than he had in a long time, he's found some form.
*This was a very hopeful beginning to the new season
*Considering how early it is
*The ranking points are just what he needed

feel free to add to the list...

[Semih_Sayginer]

I guess then you can say Ryan is a bottler too, cos he hasn't wont any ranking event yet - always losing to someone. I don't think that's right thing to say.


edit: excellent post Semih

exactly april

if you aint wont the worlds (or been number 1), or so, then youre a bottler.

over 90% of pro players in the last 30 years are bottlers?

i dont think so

[Semih_Sayginer]

forgot to say. welcome "back" PTS. sorely missed on here!!

[Sam147]

Sorry, a bit off topic but i woke up late, couldn't do my lil black magic for Matthew as i did yesterday and having a bit of trouble with the site

Sorry, can't reply to those who have paged me

They're showing the match on eurosport now & it's no fun watching when u know the result but it seems Ryan played well & deserved his win...

I'm glad Matthew reached that stage too, hopefully it's a good start to his season & the start he'd been wishing for to get himself back amongst the top ranks

[PaulTheSoave]

The difference between Day and Stevens, Day never got to a world final! And Stevens did! Also Matthew had quite some opportunities to win a world title where he was at the finishing line and did not cross over. The same last season when he lead 12-7 against Murphy and did not take fhe final frame. Difference between Day and Stevens, the first one is an up and coming player while Stevens is an established player.

And dont come and tell me it is not a right thing to say! it is my opinion, or is this again the daily slag off another member moment? I AM ENTITLED TO MY OPINION!

(where I dont mean Semihs' post, thats founded on criteria and arguments)

I guess then you can say Ryan is a bottler too, cos he hasn't wont any ranking event yet - always losing to someone. I don't think that's right thing to say.


edit: excellent post Semih

[Alex0paul]

I guess then you can say Ryan is a bottler too, cos he hasn't wont any ranking event yet - always losing to someone. I don't think that's right thing to say.


edit: excellent post Semih

But the thing is Ryan Day hasn't been in the position to win titles whereas Matthew has. Nobody should lose a match when you are 12-7 up and its first to 13. He bottled it in the final against Murphy when took on the most stupid shot I have ever seen when leading 11-10 he took a frame ball blue on with his left hand and missed. The only time Ryan Day bottled it of any note was when he should have knocked Higgins out of the 1st round at the 2004 WC when he missed match ball pink at 9-7 up.

[Alex0paul]

The difference between Day and Stevens, Day never got to a world final! And Stevens did! Also Matthew had quite some opportunities to win a world title where he was at the finishing line and did not cross over. The same last season when he lead 12-7 against Murphy and did not take fhe final frame. Difference between Day and Stevens, the first one is an up and coming player while Stevens is an established player.

And dont come and tell me it is not a right thing to say! it is my opinion, or is this again the daily slag off another member moment? I AM ENTITLED TO MY OPINION!

(where I dont mean Semihs' post, thats founded on criteria and arguments)

As you can see from my previous post, I agree with you.