Ricky Walden not nominating foul?

[PaulTheSoave]

Much appreciated and attentive as well to let Ricky comment on this thread. Lets hope he goes up the rankings, become a world champ and having a player once in a while, responding to questions or topics here is just what we are waiting for.

Thanks Leeroygor.

Hi there. I am away with Ricky for the Grand Prix in Glasgow. So I have just shown him this thread and asked his opinion.

[thinsy]

I've watched it many many times and still i can't decide!!!!

so, i have two opinions on this:

1. There was no foul and the referee has once again done a splindid job, and all snooker players are honest and respectable sportsmen

2. 'IF' it was a foul... I have seen it close up about 20 times and still not sure! So how can you expect a referee to spot it in a split second? And 'IF' it was feathered so slightly there is no way Ricky would have known from 10ft away.

This is not posted to to offend, aggrivate or disrespect anyone.... It's just my usual light hearted (and usually useless opinion)

:snooker:

[poolqjunkie]

Sometimes, a player may not feel that he has touched a ball with his rest or whatever.
Unless you know for sure he knew he has fouled and refused to call it intentionally, this is pointless. A pro player has tried very hard to earn a professional image, and this kind of ungrounded thread is very unfair in damaging that. let's not forget some players are still in the process of tryign to get sponsorship and such, and they could lose a potential with ungrounded rumors such as this.

[ADR147]

hard to see if its a foul or not but for sure he didn't know anything about it!

[jaguarf1]

Sometimes, a player may not feel that he has touched a ball with his rest or whatever.
Unless you know for sure he knew he has fouled and refused to call it intentionally, this is pointless. A pro player has tried very hard to earn a professional image, and this kind of ungrounded thread is very unfair in damaging that. let's not forget some players are still in the process of tryign to get sponsorship and such, and they could lose a potential with ungrounded rumors such as this.

hey, don't blame the thread. we ar just discussing what ES reporter said and Chinese commentators also seemed not sure about it (I don't understand Chinese, but you can scent it by the intonation).

[poolqjunkie]

hey, don't blame the thread. we ar just discussing what ES reporter said and Chinese commentators also seemed not sure about it (I don't understand Chinese, but you can scent it by the intonation).

Do you know what "blame" means?
I am not blaming anything, but expressing my opinion that I think this thread is pointless as no proof was ever provided, and is therefore unfair to Rick Walden's reputation. I forgot to mention that I also think it is irresponsible to suggest something as serious as cheating without any proof on a public forum. i know this is a forum for discussion, and I am hereby expressing my point of view.
You can "scent" that the Chinese commentator said," I think his tip has moved the red ball..." even though you do not know the language at all? You must have one heck of a nose.:-)

[jaguarf1]

you haven't watched the video, right? so you didn't hear Chinese commentators when the close-up was shown.

[Caroline]

In case you mates need some language help here , the Chinese commentator's original sentence can be translated as something like this: "Oh, be careful! If he continues (to strike) like this, he will foul it!"

So this reporter's opinion is that Ricky has not fouled the red yet, that means Ricky does not foul the red

Go back to the main point: I also tend to believe that Ricky did not touch the red or it is so slight and so faraway with the spider that he did not notice it at all. Light-hearted as I am also, I do have faith in all the hard working professionals that they have been properly trained and devoted. They are actually hundred percent honest and clean on this kind of issue. We may have one or two odd persons who are involved in some nasty things like match-fixing when a big sum of money is on stake, but it is far less likely for them to risk their professional reputation in a technique aspect on this tiny basis. I fully understand pool's opinion and really feel very sorry for Ricky also, since such an unexpected little controversy is coming to him from nowhere at the very moment when he should be feeling free to enjoy his long-waiting success. He should be a bit disturbed if he really has done nothing wrong.

[Monique]

I think the whole discussion is going a bit over the top! PTS who initiated the thread himself aknowledged that there was certainly no cheating on Ricky's behalf. I think we all agree on that, there is no doubt in anyone's mind about Ricky's integrity and perfect sportmanship. Ricky has had his say, via his manager and all praise to him to make the effort to provide those clarifications.
I don't think this thread will harm his reputation in any way. On the contrary his contribution to it is only proof of his dedication and respect for the fans of the game.

[poolqjunkie]

PTS who initiated the thread himself aknowledged that there was certainly no cheating on Ricky's behalf. I think we all agree on that, there is no doubt in anyone's mind about Ricky's integrity and perfect sportmanship.

Really?

In the final, ES reporter mentioned Ricky touched a red with his cue but did not nominate a foul as the ref did not notice it. The reporter said a player will always know touching a red with his cue and from experience I know its true. So what is your opinion. Is it unsportmanship? Dont know whether it has been discussed on the Shanghai masters discussion. If so, forget!

PTS initiated the thread saying that he agreed if he touched a ball he would for sure noticed it. Then he asked if we felt RW's behavior was unsportsmanlike. How you read that and then came to the conclusion PTS has no doubt at all RW did not cheat is totally beyond me.

I was trying to make the point that I feel that the thread just like the other one about Ebdon, is irresponsible in tainting a player's reputation when no solid proof was ever brought forth.
Sorry, i forgot, you did try to say you would not trust Ebdon with anything because you thought he was a nasty person, and you believed "everyone had a price" when it comes to Ebdon's alleged match fixing. No wonder you would think that my response is over the top.

Never mind...

[Monique]

Great stuff, you are as fast as lightning!

He did feather the red lightly but watching it now I am pretty sure he did not notice it as it was such a miniscule contact. And the ref would not have spotted it either. Actually was a safety, not a pot and dont think the result would have been different when spotted. was the 3rd frame.

Things that can happen. Any blemish of unsportmanship out of the window!

Much appreciated and attentive as well to let Ricky comment on this thread. Lets hope he goes up the rankings, become a world champ and having a player once in a while, responding to questions or topics here is just what we are waiting for.

Thanks Leeroygor.

I was referring to these posts ... I think they are pretty clear.

[poolqjunkie]

hey, don't blame the thread. we ar just discussing what ES reporter said and Chinese commentators also seemed not sure about it (I don't understand Chinese, but you can scent it by the intonation).

you haven't watched the video, right? so you didn't hear Chinese commentators when the close-up was shown.

Let's see, so you heard the Chinese commentator, right? Although you dont understand any Chinese, but somehow you "scented" that they said he might have fouled--while in fact they were saying he had not fouled yet.

It is dangerous to come to conclusion based on totally false data and misinterpreted "facts."

My point is that this kind of behavior and "logic" is unfair to the professional player involved, who has worked very hard to finally won a title. That is all I was trying to say, not meant to get into some argument.

[poolqjunkie]

In case you mates need some language help here , the Chinese commentator's original sentence can be translated as something like this: "Oh, be careful! If he continues (to strike) like this, he will foul it!"

So this reporter's opinion is that Ricky has not fouled the red yet, that means Ricky does not foul the red

Go back to the main point: I also tend to believe that Ricky did not touch the red or it is so slight and so faraway with the spider that he did not notice it at all. Light-hearted as I am also, I do have faith in all the hard working professionals that they have been properly trained and devoted. They are actually hundred percent honest and clean on this kind of issue. We may have one or two odd persons who are involved in some nasty things like match-fixing when a big sum of money is on stake, but it is far less likely for them to risk their professional reputation in a technique aspect on this tiny basis. I fully understand pool's opinion and really feel very sorry for Ricky also, since such an unexpected little controversy is coming to him from nowhere at the very moment when he should be feeling free to enjoy his long-waiting success. He should be a bit disturbed if he really has done nothing wrong.

Thank you for the translation. Very well said.

[jaguarf1]

Let's see, so you heard the Chinese commentator, right? Although you dont understand any Chinese, but somehow you "scented" that they said he might have fouled--while in fact they were saying he had not fouled yet.

It is dangerous to come to conclusion based on totally false data and misinterpreted "facts."

My point is that this kind of behavior and "logic" is unfair to the professional player involved, who has worked very hard to finally won a title. That is all I was trying to say, not meant to get into some argument.

OMG, you're so nervous.
We're just discussing if it was foul or not. I never said he touched that ball. As PTS stated, Eurosport reporter said that.
But I was right about chinese commentators, because they were worried that probably he could foul, and that's what I said in my post.

[poolqjunkie]

OMG, you're so nervous.

But I was right about chinese commentators, because they were worried that probably he could foul, and that's what I said in my post.

First I "blamed" the thread, then you "scented" what the Chinese commentator said, now I am "nervous."

You are right in whatever it is you want to believe to be right. I obviously am speaking a different language than yours.

Everyone can read what you wrote, I give up. Like I said, this is pointless.