Ronnie O Sullivan v Neil Robertson - Quarter Final

[breakman16]

Neil is mad annoying, he sounds annoying, talks annoying, looks annoying. so go Ronnie!

lol it's the accent I know!!! lol u dont have to like everyone, just respect them for dedicating vast portions of their live's to snooker so they can get to the top, Neil I think will become a double world champion and then some other tournaments, you're watching one of the modern greats in my view, especially since he's developed a harder, match playing style of play!

[Cue_Seeker]

lol it's the accent I know!!! lol u dont have to like everyone, just respect them for dedicating vast portions of their live's to snooker so they can get to the top, Neil I think will become a double world champion and then some other tournaments, you're watching one of the modern greats in my view, especially since he's developed a harder, match playing style of play!

Nah mate, accent is just one thing. another is that I think he made some comments with the BBC commentators in the box after a match recently, that really annoyed me, don't remember who it was against, I think it was against Judd Trump, he was complaining that fans were cheering for him so much more for his shots. well, NO WONDER! Why would you complain that fans like someone else more? that is plain annoying like a cry baby.
Also did you see him with curly hair lol, I seriously rofl'ed when I saw, he had to go to salons to straighten his hair just so he doesn't look annoying to fans (and to himself!)

But seriously though, I think the style of Trump O'Sulllivan Hendry are way more enjoyable, and players like Hendry O'Sullivan Davis are those who really dedicated to snooker, players like Neil is just there for the money.

[Ronnie's tip]

lol it's the accent I know!!! lol u dont have to like everyone, just respect them for dedicating vast portions of their live's to snooker so they can get to the top, Neil I think will become a double world champion and then some other tournaments, you're watching one of the modern greats in my view, especially since he's developed a harder, match playing style of play!

Neil has the game to be more than a double world champion. He'll win it this year for a start and is only 30. He'll end up with 3 or 4 IMO.

[breakman16]

Nah mate, accent is just one thing. another is that I think he made some comments with the BBC commentators in the box after a match recently, that really annoyed me, don't remember who it was against, I think it was against Judd Trump, he was complaining that fans were cheering for him so much more for his shots. well, NO WONDER! Why would you complain that fans like someone else more? that is plain annoying like a cry baby.
Also did you see him with curly hair lol, I seriously rofl'ed when I saw, he had to go to salons to straighten his hair just so he doesn't look annoying to fans (and to himself!)

But seriously though, I think the style of Trump O'Sulllivan Hendry are way more enjoyable, and players like Hendry O'Sullivan Davis are those who really dedicated to snooker, players like Neil is just there for the money.

he is NOT just there for the money, I doubt there's a sportsman walking the earth who worked a large portion of their life to get the skills necessary to MAYBE make it to the top who's just doing it for the money, u know about Neil's sacrifices when he came over here with hardly any money? Surely you wouldn't put all the time in necessary to develop your game and hard matchplay to just be in it for the money? Perhaps he fancied straightening his hair, who cares if it looks annoying (how can someone with curly hair look annoying)? It depends when they're cheering too, sometimes, even at the Crucible, u get the odd over zealous "fan" who shouts out something loutish for a laugh so they get attention and hence feel good (very sad).

Plus it's Trump (in that case) so therefore he will have loud fans, although the ones I think that cheer him too loudly and are loutish are the ones who are so desparate to see him through as they have no other interest in the tournament once he goes out, the hardcore genuine snooker fan will watch virtually anyone!

[breakman16]

Neil has the game to be more than a double world champion. He'll win it this year for a start and is only 30. He'll end up with 3 or 4 IMO.

wouldnt surprise me, i was being cautious with that estimation, plus plenty of other titles, he'll win over 20 ranking events I think, which would put him top 5 just about??

[Masterdoctorgenius]

wouldnt surprise me, i was being cautious with that estimation, plus plenty of other titles, he'll win over 20 ranking events I think, which would put him top 5 just about??

everyone is entitled to have an opinion but i doubt that he will win over 20 events and 4 WC. he has now 6 Ranking titles in a space of 6 years. two WC is very possible but other than that will surprise me

many other players are also hungry like trump, selby, murphy, maguire, ding.

[Cue_Seeker]

he is NOT just there for the money, I doubt there's a sportsman walking the earth who worked a large portion of their life to get the skills necessary to MAYBE make it to the top who's just doing it for the money, u know about Neil's sacrifices when he came over here with hardly any money? Surely you wouldn't put all the time in necessary to develop your game and hard matchplay to just be in it for the money? Perhaps he fancied straightening his hair, who cares if it looks annoying (how can someone with curly hair look annoying)? It depends when they're cheering too, sometimes, even at the Crucible, u get the odd over zealous "fan" who shouts out something loutish for a laugh so they get attention and hence feel good (very sad).

Plus it's Trump (in that case) so therefore he will have loud fans, although the ones I think that cheer him too loudly and are loutish are the ones who are so desparate to see him through as they have no other interest in the tournament once he goes out, the hardcore genuine snooker fan will watch virtually anyone!

I meant no offence, Neil....fan, I was just saying. I don't disrespect him at all, there are just traits about him seem overly weird and annoying.

However I think something you said is very interesting. Presented to you the option to go to Harvard or Cambridge with high guarantee coming out making big money, or even better, taking over your family's billion-dollars corporation, or dedicate your life to snooker, which would you pick?

I don't deny that most top players have HIGH HIGH dedication for snooker, but there's always weighing between the opportunity cost and playing the game. And it's true that most of them would just work very normal or even below middle class jobs if not for playing snooker.

The point is, you cannot take their dedication as brave and selfless as you say, for Neil dedicating his life to snooker, against Steve Jobs dedicating only a year to snooker fully, how would you compare which is the bigger sacrifice? If Neil was in Steve Jobs' shoes, will he still make such selfless dedication to snooker, even for only a year?

[breakman16]

I meant no offence, Neil....fan, I was just saying. I don't disrespect him at all, there are just traits about him seem overly weird and annoying.

However I think something you said is very interesting. Presented to you the option to go to Harvard or Cambridge with high guarantee coming out making big money, or even better, taking over your family's billion-dollars corporation, or dedicate your life to snooker, which would you pick?

I don't deny that most top players have HIGH HIGH dedication for snooker, but there's always weighing between the opportunity cost and playing the game. And it's true that most of them would just work very normal or even below middle class jobs if not for playing snooker.

The point is, you cannot take their dedication as brave and selfless as you say, for Neil dedicating his life to snooker, against Steve Jobs dedicating only a year to snooker fully, how would you compare which is the bigger sacrifice? If Neil was in Steve Jobs' shoes, will he still make such selfless dedication to snooker, even for only a year?

it depends how badly you want success, are you an amateur who enjoys playing and wants a good quality match, or are you a pro who's battle hardened who loves to win and wants to practice 5 hours a day, THAT's why they should be respected, there are many good amateurs all over the country, but there arent loads of top 50 ability pros! Some players may need to dedicate themselves for years to make it, people like Ronnie and Judd seem to be able to find progress easier

[Cue_Seeker]

it depends how badly you want success, are you an amateur who enjoys playing and wants a good quality match, or are you a pro who's battle hardened who loves to win and wants to practice 5 hours a day, THAT's why they should be respected, there are many good amateurs all over the country, but there arent loads of top 50 ability pros! Some players may need to dedicate themselves for years to make it, people like Ronnie and Judd seem to be able to find progress easier

That doesn't answer anything I questioned. Are you still trying to say under any circumstances neil would be equally dedicated?

You are reciting everything i have questioned instead, my question was under different circumstances people would have different weight on opportunity costs.

I just said I don't disrespect Neil, I don't know why you brought up respect again.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

any1 predictions for tomorrow

will the one frame make the difference like in the other two matches and start the self destruction mode of ronnie.

or will he show his champions skills and overcome todays emotion

[breakman16]

That doesn't answer anything I questioned. Are you still trying to say under any circumstances neil would be equally dedicated?

You are reciting everything i have questioned instead, my question was under different circumstances people would have different weight on opportunity costs.

I just said I don't disrespect Neil, I don't know why you brought up respect again.

Yeah they would, but when you've took the plunge like Maguire having a room knocked through and a table built for him by his granddad, for example, and Neil moving over here, specifically to improve his snooker as far as I know, then you HAVE to be dedicated to make it worth your while investing the time and money to try and change your life, pro sport is all about sacrifices, I don't think any sports person at top level hasnt made lots of sacrifices to get to the top!

[breakman16]

any1 predictions for tomorrow

will the one frame make the difference like in the other two matches and start the self destruction mode of ronnie.

or will he show his champions skills and overcome todays emotion

I'll predict 8 all into tomorrow's final session, Ronnie to come back a bit!

[Cue_Seeker]

Yeah they would, but when you've took the plunge like Maguire having a room knocked through and a table built for him by his granddad, for example, and Neil moving over here, specifically to improve his snooker as far as I know, then you HAVE to be dedicated to make it worth your while investing the time and money to try and change your life, pro sport is all about sacrifices, I don't think any sports person at top level hasnt made lots of sacrifices to get to the top!

Okay, you know what I think? Steve Jobs make billions a year, and I doubt any pros would give away billions-of-dollars-a-year-opportunity for snooker.
So, indeed you are assuming that these pros will make equally selfless dedications under ANY situations. But keep in mind, most of these pros probably based on their decision giving up only a a few 10,000 dollars a year because their opportunity costs are low, because that's how much they would earn anyway if they were to do something else, many of these decisions were based on snooker generates a greater return and satisfaction for them. But the satisfaction only go so far when compared to monetary means.

obviously you fail to think in terms of economics.

What do you think Neil would've done in Australia if he didn't come here for snooker? probably low-end jobs, this is finding a way out for himself, there's hardwork but 5 hours of snooker a day is nothing compared to 10 hours of hard labour a day, 10 hours of snooker a day is nothing compared to 10 hours of hard labour a day. there's hard work but otherwise he would've had a worse life. This is NOT mindless passion as we all had when we were kids. This is different, I am helping you to see that.

Many pro players go bankrupt very soon after they retire, why? because they do not have other assets or skills to make money and they still spend equally as much as when they were making millions. It is not all about sacrifice that they play the sport. Opportunity cost has a greater influence than passion alone.

[P.Smith]

Neil better win this now, all my other favourites have gone out.

[Ronnie's tip]

any1 predictions for tomorrow

will the one frame make the difference like in the other two matches and start the self destruction mode of ronnie.

or will he show his champions skills and overcome todays emotion

Fancy 10-6 to Robertson going into the final session. Ronnie will claw a few frames late on but he'll lose 13-10/11.