Betfred.com World Snooker Championship Q-Final Discussion

[peterpackage]

Cmon Ding, if he doesn't stay with Selby, he will get steamrolled !

[breakman16]

while i recognize hendry is the better man in the stats. he had a longer career than ronnie.
if one ever does make the effort of century/frame in their both careers (i made a post about earlier this year, something like "the true century master"), one would then really find out who is the greatest in this field. if anything i wont be surprised if it werent for them.

but amongst the 3, i pick ronnie, not because im a ronnie fan, but because ronnie's breakbreaking has always been highly emphasized from break-building aroudn the black spot area, especially screwing into the pack from the black. the black adds a lot of value.

Hendry is exactly the same, it was his close control round the black and pink when he was in that was his strength, Hendry scored more centuries at a higher rate I think, but Ronnie is the more flamboyant to watch obviously, it depends if u want effectiveness and precision or flamboyance and genius, the pulse result of 42 % ronnie and 49% hendry was a perfect result, just right!

[jonnylovessn8ker]

Hendry is exactly the same, it was his close control round the black and pink when he was in that was his strength, Hendry scored more centuries at a higher rate I think, but Ronnie is the more flamboyant to watch obviously, it depends if u want effectiveness and precision or flamboyance and genius, the pulse result of 42 % ronnie and 49% hendry was a perfect result, just right!

fair point. and well made hendry is record speaks for itself kudos to that.
hear me out. about the black area bit, hendry in the 90s and early 00s didnt come across to me like that. ie. when the first pot is made after the break off shot, hendry seems to try come around back to the blauk area. ronnie more often tries to hold for the black, i tihnk (off the top of my head of course, correct me if i am wrong about this )

[Le Ball Sack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTizFFIskEI

fair point. and well made hendry is record speaks for itself kudos to that.
hear me out. about the black area bit, hendry in the 90s and early 00s didnt come across to me like that. ie. when the first pot is made after the break off shot, hendry seems to try come around back to the blauk area. ronnie more often tries to hold for the black, i tihnk (off the top of my head of course, correct me if i am wrong about this )

[breakman16]

fair point. and well made hendry is record speaks for itself kudos to that.
hear me out. about the black area bit, hendry in the 90s and early 00s didnt come across to me like that. ie. when the first pot is made after the break off shot, hendry seems to try come around back to the blauk area. ronnie more often tries to hold for the black, i tihnk (off the top of my head of course, correct me if i am wrong about this )

Hendry would often play long balls slow to stay on the black, nowadays it's different that it's round the black to baulk or just before, the old "shot to something" rather than a shot to nothing to roll up behind a colour, all it is is Hendry wanted centuries all his career and had more self belief mentally than Ronnie does, less fragile, it's not much, but it's enough, I think Ronnie will get to 700 centuries too, whether he'll overtake Hendry is debateable, if Ronnie had had his head in gear throughout the vast majority of his career it would have been a lot closer, but then he wouldn't be a genius like he is (all geniuses are flawed, look at other sports), there will never be another Hendry, Ronnie is the closest u'll get for next 40 to 50 years at least in my view!

[jrc750]

Both Ronnie and John have used the push on extension now......can't they afford their own proper ones ?

[breakman16]

Hopefully there will be 2 very close matches here, good standard so far, this is what the world's quarte finals are all about, haven't had this many big names in it for a while!!

[breakman16]

If Ding wants to win the title, he has to take this type of chance, the only way he can beat Selby is to punish him for all his mistakes!!

[Looki]

If Ding wants to win the title, he has to take this type of chance, the only way he can beat Selby is to punish him for all his mistakes!!

The beginning of the match suggests that Selby is far from unbeatable...

[tai pichit]

fair point. and well made hendry is record speaks for itself kudos to that.
hear me out. about the black area bit, hendry in the 90s and early 00s didnt come across to me like that. ie. when the first pot is made after the break off shot, hendry seems to try come around back to the blauk area. ronnie more often tries to hold for the black, i tihnk (off the top of my head of course, correct me if i am wrong about this )

i would disagree. hendry's strength was stroking in a long red & often going all out for black position. was watching the 1993 world final only yesterday which is a prime example. first frame long red, holds for black & makes 136.
his lack of compromise & attacking policy has cost him matches as well as won him some mind you.
it's not all about centuries either, remember the 60's, 70's & 80 breaks which stephen used to make frame after frame in his prime.
they're both immense around the black spot but stephen was more consistent when he was playing well.

[breakman16]

The beginning of the match suggests that Selby is far from unbeatable...

It does, but these long matches often turn, and he's great when it's close is Selby, also Ding's scoring game isn't always great, he needs to keep his safety game consistent!

[breakman16]

i would disagree. hendry's strength was stroking in a long red & often going all out for black position. was watching the 1993 world final only yesterday which is a prime example. first frame long red, holds for black & makes 136.
his lack of compromise & attacking policy has cost him matches as well as won him some mind you.
it's not all about centuries either, remember the 60's, 70's & 80 breaks which stephen used to make frame after frame in his prime.
they're both immense around the black spot but stephen was more consistent when he was playing well.

It wasn't extra skill that did it for Hendry vs O'sullivan, it was in Hendry's head where he's beat Ronnie on the records, things could change but Ronnie is so volatile, I LOVE watching him playing well and trying his best, that's not THAT often anymore which is a crying shame!

[breakman16]

O'sullivan vs Higgins is a real clash of the titans!! Hope the winner wins the title!!

[breakman16]

Ding with a big chance this session to get 5-3 or 6-2 and in control, but he can't take it!!!

[cueman]

Selby is feeling it big time now. Missing balls he hasn't looked close to missing previously. IMO he peaked against Hendry and the come down after that might just damage his confidence. Ding can only throw this match away for me, unless Selby starts the gamesmanship which we all know he does when things aren't going in his favour. Suddenly the jester stops having fun and becomes mr sly.