Ronnie O'Sullivan vs Mark Selby - Discussion

[minhiub]

To all my friends, if you have ever thought to yourself that the only one could beat ROS is himself, here is a video that could tell it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B4DLIk2o-s

"He won 2 world titles, almost 20 ranking events. He made eight 147 and a huge sum of money in his career. And yet he is an underachiever and he knows that".

[noel]

QUOTE=gavpowell;492643]There's an audio interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...er/8650588.stm
He sounds genuinely in pain, and if he's really in that much tturmoil, I hope either his dad's imminent release helps or that he takes some time off to rediscover his enjoyment.
QUOTE]

Excellent work posting that sound bite up gav.
If one can listen to that and realizing O'Sullivan actually has no self-awareness of just how awesome a player
he has been... and still dis him... you gotta be cold. Damned cold.


Thank you!


=o)

Noel

[FerruleFox]

To be honest, I am a big fan of ROS. I felt sad, upset every time when he lost an important match, especially to Selby (I never like his attitude, especially when he has any wins to Ronnie). Sometimes, I felt angry because he did not play well or did not try hard to play well and I thought to myself that I would never watch any match of him ever again. However, part of me would try to find a reason to explain for him. And before any tournament, ranking or not, I could not help myself to find out whether he would be a part. Then I continue to support him all the way through the tournament. That happened tournament to tournament. I was in pain when I saw him lost, I was worry when he said that he would retire from the game, I was telling myself that I would quit watching snooker if he would not be a part of the game anymore.

But today, at this very moment, I don't give a **** anymore. I am just tired of his attitude of the game we all love. I don't give the **** about his retirement anymore after I saw a gentleman at 52 years of age, who was once the king of snooker and achieved every and any success in the world of snooker in the last 30 years, but still tried to played with all of his heart and sole and brought us all a fairytale that none of us would imagine in our wildest dream. I don't give a **** about whether he wants to play or not after I saw the desire of winning and the sadness of losing in Steve Davis' eyes. I am just ****ing tired of hearing him repeat that he had lost interest in the game, I am just ****ing ****ing tired of watching him playing a match with no soul and no desire to win. So if you want to quit, Ronnie. I hope you will do as you said for the very first time of your life.

Good post.

Snooker is not an easy game. No one can play well all the time. And for Ronnie to sulk and whine about how "badly he's played for the last 7-8 years" is disrespectful to the game.

[FerruleFox]

QUOTE=gavpowell;492643]There's an audio interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...er/8650588.stm
He sounds genuinely in pain, and if he's really in that much tturmoil, I hope either his dad's imminent release helps or that he takes some time off to rediscover his enjoyment.
QUOTE]

Excellent work posting that sound bite up gav.
If one can listen to that and realizing O'Sullivan actually has no self-awareness of just how awesome a player
he has been... and still dis him... you gotta be cold. Damned cold.


Thank you!


=o)

Noel

C'mon Noel, it's not a lack of self-awareness. Don't dress it up. It's plain and simple arrogance and disrespect for the sophistication of the game.

[noel]

C'mon Noel, it's not a lack of self-awareness. Don't dress it up. It's plain and simple arrogance and disrespect for the sophistication of the game.

To be direct with no disrespect, you are mistaking the weathervane for the wind.



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Noel

[FerruleFox]

How so?....

[noel]

How so?....

Again, To be direct...
the weathervane you see may appear to point towards "arrogance"
but if you listen to this clip...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...er/8650588.stm

and watch this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B4DLIk2o-s

and listen to people who know the man...

the real wind is "insecurity".

The only parallel I can think of to explain how O'Sullivan may perceive his skill and success
is how an anorexic looks in the mirror and sees adipose tissue and cellulite and rolls of fat
when what everyone else and the weigh scale sees is skin and bone.



=o(

Noel

[FerruleFox]

Whether insecurity or a self defence mechanism, what difference does it make?

[Freddie Ng]

Really disappointed with Ron...
Should have try to play another snooker to come back...

[noel]

Whether insecurity or a self defence mechanism, what difference does it make?

that doesn't make a difference at all mate...

Ronnie has been at the top of his profession for almost 20 years.
He is widely considered by his peers to one of the greatest talents in his field, ever.
Yet, many people misread this individual's inability to ever be satisfied with
themselves as "arrogance". He is the opposite of arrogant. He is his own harshest critic.
However much his opponents punish him for mistakes on the table, or fans or critics like us do,
he beats himself up even more!
Monique, here on the forum saw him after his match with Williams, she said he was almost in tears
at how badly he played. He won. Not only that, many believe it to have been one of the greatest
victories at the Crucible.

If we are not talking about someone with an over-exaggerated sense of self-worth,
we are not talking about an "arrogant" person.
What is the opposite of arrogant then?



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Noel

[rich45]

that doesn't make a difference at all mate...

Ronnie has been at the top of his profession for almost 20 years.
He is widely considered by his peers to one of the greatest talents in his field, ever.
Yet, many people misread this individual's inability to ever be satisfied with
themselves as "arrogance". He is the opposite of arrogant. He is his own harshest critic.
However much his opponents punish him for mistakes on the table, or fans or critics like us do,
he beats himself up even more!
Monique, here on the forum saw him after his match with Williams, she said he was almost in tears
at how badly he played. He won. Not only that, many believe it to have been one of the greatest
victories at the Crucible.

If we are not talking about someone with an over-exaggerated sense of self-worth,
we are not talking about an "arrogant" person.
What is the opposite of arrogant then?



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Noel

I hope Ronnie doesn't read this forum...

[noel]

I hope Ronnie doesn't read this forum...

Well, if he does mate... he'll surely know that a lot of people love him and care about him and wish him well.


=o)

Noel

[Freddie Ng]

Well, if he does mate... he'll surely know that a lot of people love him and care about him and wish him well.


=o)

Noel

That's for sure mate.. we all hope to see best snooker from him again next tourney

[FerruleFox]

that doesn't make a difference at all mate...

Ronnie has been at the top of his profession for almost 20 years.
He is widely considered by his peers to one of the greatest talents in his field, ever.
Yet, many people misread this individual's inability to ever be satisfied with
themselves as "arrogance". He is the opposite of arrogant. He is his own harshest critic.
However much his opponents punish him for mistakes on the table, or fans or critics like us do,
he beats himself up even more!
Monique, here on the forum saw him after his match with Williams, she said he was almost in tears
at how badly he played. He won. Not only that, many believe it to have been one of the greatest
victories at the Crucible.

If we are not talking about someone with an over-exaggerated sense of self-worth,
we are not talking about an "arrogant" person.
What is the opposite of arrogant then?



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Noel

How does any of this reconcile his concession with Stephen at the 2006 UK or his berating of the ref today or any of his other unsportsmanlike behaviour?

What does he have to do before he can be fairly criticized?

[trains]

I think people are looking into Ronnie's behaviour too much,the Crucible sounds/looked like a hot stuffy place,the 'never in a million years' thing with the touching ball,no big deal imo.
The only conclusion I draw from his defeat is YET again he falls victim to his own progressive safety,I dont see the point of the 'but I'm not putting pressure on my opponents safety if I give him an easy safety to play' when all your doing is prostituting frames and matches on your opponents potting if those safetys arent to the millimetre.This seems obviously Ronnie's approach even after all these years so if you were hoping he'd win I dont think you should feel too bad as at least it was a good to great match.