2013 Masters discussion

[daffie]

No No No.. he has an IQ far superior than you or i mun...

I don't understand...can you explain please

Anyway back on topic, just ignore the silly little man...

You bet

[cally]

And a couple beers short of a 6 pack as well. Thought there might be some more like these, so here we go. Some entertainment before we start off again...

http://dan.hersam.com/lists/not_bright.html

No No No.. he has an IQ far superior than you or i mun...

Anyway back on topic, just ignore the silly little man...

[daffie]

Yep, he's a few fries short of an happy meal is that one...

And a couple beers short of a 6 pack as well. Thought there might be some more like these, so here we go. Some entertainment before we start off again...

http://dan.hersam.com/lists/not_bright.html

[Valiullin]

I'm sure no one would waste their time on a snooker forum if they didn't at least get some enjoyment out of it. In some cases that seems limited to supporting a couple (or maybe just one) specific players. But yes, some people do come across as not caring much, as long as certain players lose.

Right. But believe it or not, I don't absolutely want Selby to lose. I sometimes hate the way he plays, like he did yesterday. His slowplay, the way he stucked balls tight to the cushions, refusing to open the game up, etc. That was unbearable to me. He doesn't always play this way fortunately, and when he doesn't, I could watch him play without being disgusted anytime he wins a frame. Ok, it's very unlikely that I will ever like Mark Selby's style in my life. And yeah, I definitely hope he loses tonight cause I haven't swallowed yesterday's pill yet. And Neil Robertson is my favorite player. I won't be watching anyway.

I guess most preferences in individual sports are somewhat irrational. Sometimes it's hard to figure out what you like or dislike someone, especially when it goes against what you usually like in players, or against the styles you like more than others. [...] And sometimes you can, as I said before, I'm sure some people developed a strong dislike of Selby specifically after his couple of big wins against O'Sullivan. They go on about negative tactics and slow play, but I'm sure a lot of them weren't nearly as outraged when he did exactly the same against John Higgins in the World final.

I like O'Sullivan and I also like Higgins a lot (don't throw rocks at me please.) but heh, I don't wish everyone that beat them up die in nasty ways. That's not the problem. The problem is that negative tactics and slowplay are allowed and appreciated if it is to achieve victory. That looks tipically british to me. In mainland Europe, we somehow care as much as victory than in the way to reach it. I really think Selby's win yesterday was shameful and unclassy, because he's the world number one and therefore shouldn't have to use cheap tactics to win, especially against a player that is not as naturally gifted as he is. (Sorry Graeme. I love you win or lose ). So yeah, the argument was down to cultural differences I guess.

Another thing I don't like is short matches, when there is no potential for comebacks and momentum shifts. And I don't like the Championship League style, where snooker is played in an empty room with no atmosphere and tension.

Definitely agree. The crowd has such an important role to play in the atmosphere of a game of snooker. I think the calendar, as it is right now, has been crammed with minor tournaments in order to fill the blanks. More ranking events, in more various places would be cool. Four in the UK + the Masters, four in China, only one in mainland Europe and none in America... not a good balance.

Please don't pretend you are in any way bullied or victimized on this forum. From what I've seen, people who don't share your feelings about Selby are just trying to enjoy the snooker.

Oh you know, I don't feel like a victim. There may be some who don't share my opinion, but there are also some who do. Just like everywhere else in fact.
By the way, I don't get what you mean by "trying to enjoy". Enjoy or don't, there is no try Loving snooker doesn't mean you have to enjoy every second of it. I had never seen people leaving the arena in the middle of the game before, which confirms me into believing that, yeah, yesterday's showing was a disaster and a horrible advert for the game, and that it was rather Selby's fault than Graeme's. I admire Graeme Dott really. I would've quit the arena before the end of the game as well, had I been in his shoes.

Everyone gets their share on here, don't worry about that. I'm sure it's much more than 10% for Higgins at this point, and Trump continually fills up page after page of discussion about how overrated and arrogant he is, some of that criticism as ridiculous as the one aimed at Selby. Although to be fair, you don't get as many people hoping someone beats them up or breaks their cues, or that they have a heart attack during the match. :wink:

I like Higgins as a player, and what's happened to him leaves me very bitter. Really. New of the world is to blame there, Higgins just got trapped. I like Trump as well. And I don't wish Mark Selby dies

[cally]

Yep, he's a few fries short of an happy meal is that one...

[DeanH]

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excellent post. he is actually just one of those right wing regressives - the type of die-hard dino you would find in the republican party in the US or tories in the UK. the type who doesn't want the world to advance because they are scared to death of being left behind - and therefore wants everyone else to suffer along with them. any suggestions to speed play up or changes to the outdated rules are taboo to such dinos - it is little wonder that a boring timewaster like selby would be their flag-bearer

they will also use typical right wing, fox news tactics to smear you. tactics like "false equivalency" - whenever you advance a logical argument, they will say it is an insult on them and they will probably whine incessantly about it and do something childish like report you. however, when they attack you, it's all legitimate and a-ok. "projection" - if they say something erroneous, they will deny that they ever said anything erroneous and claim that you are the one doing so instead

good-grief did not take you long to get a thread about snooker back to what you always really want to spout-on-about - Western-bashing and your usual prattle about "dinos".
can we please leave it about snooker and not politics - real or imagined.
so so so sad
peace

[arbitrage]

You're desperately trying to make yourself sound like some grandmaster of snooker, a typical mr know-it-all who believes he's found the ultimate way to supreme knowledge of snooker. In other terms : "I'm right. You're wrong. Discussion over."

So you see Selby "haters" (because categorizing people in order to destroy their point of view is much easier than trying to understand it) as people who somehow don't like snooker? How stupid. There are as many ways to enjoy snooker as people who watch it. Yours is one among millions. It is not an established rule, only your personal point of view.

So is it down to respect? Did we haters didn't pick this guy thinking "Oh my God, he's pretty, wealthy, successful and his lady's ****able. Let's hate him and whatever he does!"? NOPE. I don't pay attention to his personality. He may even be a very good guy, I don't know. I pay respect to him and any other player for what he has acghieved as a snooker player. There are some players I like a little more, like Ding Junhui, because they look like nice boys apart from their skills at the table. Well honestly, Selby isn't part of them. Yet it's still not my point.

So any wonder why there are so many Selby haters? Do you really think this wave of hatred is perfectly irrational? I doubt it is. They've got eyes those haters, as many as you've got, and they use them as well as you do. The only difference is that, when you see Selby playing, you like what you see and we don't. Why isn't there an equal repartition of haters, like 10% hate Selby, antoher 10% hate Trump, 10% Higgins, 10% hate Ding, 10% hate Lee, aso? As you mentioned it, from the very beginning, there have always been some people who hate Selby. So what? You can't just say "hating selby is for morons" without calling the haters' power of judgement into question.

And that isn't cool. We are really rational people (probably much more rational than your sentimental mush about the almighty Gods of snooker that we should all pay resppect to is), with tons of rational reasons to despise the way Selby plays. Yes, there are a number of people who hate Selby and dare to say it. Are they the problem? Nope. People react to the problem and the problem is the way Selby has played yesterday and is probably gonna play tonight.


If you really like ALL snooker players and ALL the ways of playing snooker, then it's ok for you (take it easy on prozac anyway). Scrappy frames, perfect clearances, they're all part of the game. I doubt you really do.

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excellent post. he is actually just one of those right wing regressives - the type of die-hard dino you would find in the republican party in the US or tories in the UK. the type who doesn't want the world to advance because they are scared to death of being left behind - and therefore wants everyone else to suffer along with them. any suggestions to speed play up or changes to the outdated rules are taboo to such dinos - it is little wonder that a boring timewaster like selby would be their flag-bearer

they will also use typical right wing, fox news tactics to smear you. tactics like "false equivalency" - whenever you advance a logical argument, they will say it is an insult on them and they will probably whine incessantly about it and do something childish like report you. however, when they attack you, it's all legitimate and a-ok. "projection" - if they say something erroneous, they will deny that they ever said anything erroneous and claim that you are the one doing so instead

[trains]

Perrie Mans said the Boer's in the 50's were the best snooker players he'd ever seen and would beat Selby and Robertson 10 - 0 on the same day !!

[cally]

Is it just me or cos i'm watching on lappy..

But does Neil's cue look a bit dry and dusty at the tip?

I thought it looked in need of a good refinish.. might just be me tho, but if it is how it looked to me on a few close up 'tip' shots he needs to get a drink into her before he suffers for it in the long run..

Could just be me tho..

[sberry]

Glad he won the last won, looking good for a good final sesh tonight..

Me too but I may go out for a beer tonight, if it's still on when I get home the spectators won't be getting home, unless they live there.

[coomsey76]

I think Robertson will be very happy with 5-3 after how he started the session......

[cally]

Glad he won the last won, looking good for a good final sesh tonight..

[daffie]

Good break from Neil to go to 5-3...good starting point for the 2nd half of the final.

[Odrl]

You're desperately trying to make yourself sound like some grandmaster of snooker, a typical mr know-it-all who believes he's found the ultimate way to supreme knowledge of snooker. In other terms : "I'm right. You're wrong. Discussion over."

I'm actually not trying to sound like anyone but myself, and I don't think my post had much to do with "knowledge of snooker", since we are mostly talking about personal preferences and the mindset with which people watch and discuss snooker. I also enjoy discussion and rarely try to discourage it. :wink:

That being said, I'm not sure whether the rest of that post was directed specifically at me, since I never actually used the phrase "Selby haters", nor did I say people who don't like Selby don't like snooker. I said we all had our favourites. :wink: I'm sure no one would waste their time on a snooker forum if they didn't at least get some enjoyment out of it. In some cases that seems limited to supporting a couple (or maybe just one) specific players. But yes, some people do come across as not caring much, as long as certain players lose.

Do you really think this wave of hatred is perfectly irrational? I doubt it is.

I guess most preferences in individual sports are somewhat irrational. Sometimes it's hard to figure out what you like or dislike someone, especially when it goes against what you usually like in players, or against the styles you like more than others. Personally, I don't like mentally weak players who fall apart at crucial times. So why do I like Michael Holt? Sometimes you just can't explain it. And sometimes you can, as I said before, I'm sure some people developed a strong dislike of Selby specifically after his couple of big wins against O'Sullivan. They go on about negative tactics and slow play, but I'm sure a lot of them weren't nearly as outraged when he did exactly the same against John Higgins in the World final.

If you really like ALL snooker players and ALL the ways of playing snooker, then it's ok for you (take it easy on prozac anyway). Scrappy frames, perfect clearances, they're all part of the game. I doubt you really do.

You're right, I don't like everything. I'm not too bothered about particular players or styles, but I do like good snooker, and I mostly like the players that can provide that.

But yeah, there has been some stuff I haven't enjoyed in the past. I didn't enjoy the World Series of Snooker events that much, because I felt the players were deliberately playing dumbed-down versions of their own game to avoid safety exchanges. It just gave the impression that there was nothing really at stake, and if the players don't care about winning or losing, I can't either. I also don't enjoy shot-clock snooker or any variations with fewer reds.

Another thing I don't like is short matches, when there is no potential for comebacks and momentum shifts. And I don't like the Championship League style, where snooker is played in an empty room with no atmosphere and tension.

Yes, there are a number of people who hate Selby and dare to say it. Are they the problem?

I think the part of my post you quoted was the point I was trying to make. Feel free to criticize Selby as much as you like, I'm sure another round of abuse is coming his way tonight. But after the atmosphere some of you created last night, please don't pretend you are in any way bullied or victimized on this forum. From what I've seen, people who don't share your feelings about Selby are just trying to enjoy the snooker. :wink:

Why isn't there an equal repartition of haters, like 10% hate Selby, antoher 10% hate Trump, 10% Higgins, 10% hate Ding, 10% hate Lee, aso?

Everyone gets their share on here, don't worry about that. I'm sure it's much more than 10% for Higgins at this point, and Trump continually fills up page after page of discussion about how overrated and arrogant he is, some of that criticism as ridiculous as the one aimed at Selby. Although to be fair, you don't get as many people hoping someone beats them up or breaks their cues, or that they have a heart attack during the match. :wink:

We are really rational people (probably much more rational than your sentimental mush about the almighty Gods of snooker that we should all pay resppect to is)

Right, I really should stop all that nonsense about almighty Gods of snooker. Not sure why I brought it up. :wink:

Can we focus on the snooker now and hopefully an entertaining final?

Good luck with that. :smile: I'm very surprised at how it's going, to be honest. I thought Robertson was clearly the better player during the week, and I was sure Selby would pay some sort of price for last night. He still might, but he is certainly in a good position at the moment. I think this is also the first major final where Robertson is immediately on the back foot. He was quick to take control in some of his previous ones. He is also not really known for great comebacks (the one against Gould is the only one that springs to mind), but then again, he doesn't find himself behind all that often when playing well, so it will be interesting to see how he reacts. Important he wins this frame to make it 5-3. :smile:

On another note, nice to see Terry Camilleri doing one of the really big finals for the first time in his career. :smile:

[daffie]

I can't believe it the BBC have finally delayed the next programme so they can stay with the snooker...... better later than never I suppose!

About time indeed!

I think the match needed Selby to miss that blue, sorry Mark. -

Very much so...and the next frame should go to Neil as well.

2-5 Selby now but if Robertson can win the last of the afternoon it will be game on this evening, especially if Robertson can take the first tonight. If you're going tonight, take a sleeping bag.

Putting up a pot of coffee as we speak