World Snooker Championships Discussion

[rich45]

I'm not so sure, Trump is the kind of player who keeps Ronnie on edge, he's defintely playing the opponent rather than the table like he has done his first 3 matches. If this was Walden or Hawkins then Ronnie would be about 10-2 up by now. The only players who Ronnie doesn't get his way against are Judd and Selby, anyone else and he has their number.

Add Higgins to that list as well.

[Ronnie's tip]

Trump has yet to lead in this match - you know the 'big moment' will come where he'll finally pull ahead.

What is this Willie Thorne crap they are showing?

Wasn't it posted on this forum a few days ago?

[Giggity1984]

Bit of luck for Ronnie with the position on the black, although Judd has a nerve sarcastically smiling to himself! He was also unlucky in the second frame with a kick on the position for the final brown. So people retty even on the luck front so far.

Poor from Virgo there with the scoring...time to get rid of him. He has become a caricature of himself!

I always find it annoying when a frame is over and he does his recap. He keeps raising his voice like someone has sat on the volume up button or something. It's ridiculous. And once you've spotted it, it always sticks in your craw.

[nrage]

Its hard to detect some kicks, they don't jump but they just go thick. I've even had kicks go thin before, explain that!

Piece of cake .. well, these are some theories I have anyway. There are (at least) 2 types of kick.

1. The one caused by excess friction at the contact point, usually chalk on the ball, this causes a thick contact because it prolongs the contact moment and pushes the object ball along the path of the white before releasing it on a thick contact path.

2. The one caused by the balls being at different heights, one above, one below at the point of contact. If this happens you can get either a thick or thin contact depending on just what happens. Sometimes the contact is prolonged, as above and you get a thick contact.

But, sometimes the contact isn't prolonged, you get a "normal" length contact between the two balls, but the contact point on one ball is below the center, and the other is above, because the ball is a sphere these points are not only above/below the normal contact point but also in front (on one) and behind (on the other) the normal contact point, resulting in a thin contact.

[Ronnie's tip]

Poor shot by Ronnie earlier, great pot by Trump. Expect him to improve now. Good chance.

I'm not so sure, Trump is the kind of player who keeps Ronnie on edge, he's defintely playing the opponent rather than the table like he has done his first 3 matches. If this was Walden or Hawkins then Ronnie would be about 10-2 up by now. The only players who Ronnie doesn't get his way against are Judd and Selby, anyone else and he has their number.

Agreed. It's for this reason why as soon as Higgins went out, I was putting money on Trump. If this was Higgins playing Trump today for example, I'd fancy Higgins to win (I definitely wouldn't be betting on it). As you said though, Trump makes Ronnie nervous.

[stephenm2682]

i expected ronnie to push on today, especially has he's ahead on all the stats but it looks like not taking his chances will cost him this match and i expect Trump to build a little lead from now....

[Holden Chinaski]

Poor shot by Ronnie earlier, great pot by Trump. Expect him to improve now. Good chance.



Agreed. It's for this reason why as soon as Higgins went out, I was putting money on Trump. If this was Higgins playing Trump today for example, I'd fancy Higgins to win (I definitely wouldn't be betting on it). As you said though, Trump makes Ronnie nervous.

I keep telling you; Ronnie will win this match. He's the better breakbuilder.

[CueInAction]

Kick count: Judd 10 Ronnie 0...then what predictably happens? Judd 11 haha. If thats not proof that its how you cue the ball I'm not what is. I've said ti in a thread a while ago that kicks seem to happen a high percentage on drag shots

[Ronnie's tip]

Ronnie's positional play has been poor all tournament, with a few exceptions (mainly against Bingham).

[Holden Chinaski]

Ronnie's positional play has been poor all tournament, with a few exceptions (mainly against Bingham).

It's good enough to win this match.

[nrage]

Kick count: Judd 10 Ronnie 0...then what predictably happens? Judd 11 haha. If thats not proof that its how you cue the ball I'm not what is. I've said ti in a thread a while ago that kicks seem to happen a high percentage on drag shots

I definitely agree that how the shot is played and the cue action makes a difference to kicks. But, I would also be interested to know how these are counted. For example, if it's a person counting it, how do they tell there was/wasn't a kick? Do they only count a kick if it results in a missed pot /and/ the player makes a sad face and waves his hands about in annoyance? Because I've noticed that Ronnie doesn't complain about them as much, nor does he clean the cue ball (as others have mentioned) so perhaps some of Ronnie's kicks might go unnoticed by the person counting.

[Ronnie's tip]

How many times has Ronnie rattled the pockets with the white, not just today but in the tournament overall? Happened twice against Carter, once in the first round as well.

[Giggity1984]

How many times has Ronnie rattled the pockets with the white, not just today but in the tournament overall? Happened twice against Carter, once in the first round as well.

I imagine you don't play the game then?! This is hardly a lot! lol.

[Holden Chinaski]

Ronnie is such a great breakbuilder. Go on Ron!

[Ronnie's tip]

Great break by Ronnie

Ronnie's problem here is that he's getting in on Trump's mistakes, so if the latter picks up then Ronnie will find himself off the table. He needs to start creating his own chances.