Info needed

[fenman]

Hi all, I have two old cues which i am try to find there history & hope you can help!

The 1st cue was presented to C.wingfield & by Lord Alexander Pace, engraved on silver plaque, believed to be in the early 1900'ish.

The 2nd which i think is a billiard cue was for the Citizen Trophy, Feb 1927,
presented to T Mc Culloch.

Any info would be great or where i can get more info.
Thanks in advance.

[100-uper]

Hi all, I have two old cues which i am try to find there history & hope you can help!

The 1st cue was presented to C.wingfield & by Lord Alexander Pace, engraved on silver plaque, believed to be in the early 1900'ish.

The 2nd which i think is a billiard cue was for the Citizen Trophy, Feb 1927,
presented to T Mc Culloch.

Any info would be great or where i can get more info.
Thanks in advance.

The second cue would have been one of only two presented by a prominent Glasgow daily newspaper, the Evening Citizen. They instituted a competition whereby the two amateur cueists who recorded the best averages in league games, or handicaps, were given free entry and all expenses paid to the Scottish Amateur Billiards Championship of 1927. The "Citizen" competition was free to enter, but was confined to those who had taken no part in public competitions in the past. McCulloch was from Uddingston, as was the other winner, L. Golomb. Both players lost their first round matches in the championship, but were unfortunate to have been drawn against particularly strong players, McCulloch losing 1,000-710 to C. Demarco.

McCulloch was sufficiently inspired to enter the Scottish Championship again in 1928, albeit with a similar result. After this I have no record of him.

Hope this helps

[fenman]

Thanks for that info it will help me put some more providence to the Que

[jb134]

The Uddingston area was a hotbed of billiards at one time.

Jack Bates lived in that area for a while.

Oldgit, is the info you have on old Scottish Championships in the public domain? If so how can I obtain it, if not, how can I obtain it?

Do you have any info on a chap called Alec Locke?

[100-uper]

There is lots about the historic Scottish championships in the public domain. Probably your best source for details and accuracy would be The Scotsman online archive.

Don't know Alec Locke. Do you have any additional information such as when/where he was active?

[atm147iwish]

The second cue would have been one of only two presented by a prominent Glasgow daily newspaper, the Evening Citizen. They instituted a competition whereby the two amateur cueists who recorded the best averages in league games, or handicaps, were given free entry and all expenses paid to the Scottish Amateur Billiards Championship of 1927. The "Citizen" competition was free to enter, but was confined to those who had taken no part in public competitions in the past. McCulloch was from Uddingston, as was the other winner, L. Golomb. Both players lost their first round matches in the championship, but were unfortunate to have been drawn against particularly strong players, McCulloch losing 1,000-710 to C. Demarco.

McCulloch was sufficiently inspired to enter the Scottish Championship again in 1928, albeit with a similar result. After this I have no record of him.

Hope this helps

always enjoy reading your informative replies.
is there anything you dont know or cant find out?

[jb134]

There is lots about the historic Scottish championships in the public domain. Probably your best source for details and accuracy would be The Scotsman online archive.

Don't know Alec Locke. Do you have any additional information such as when/where he was active?

Hi Alec was from the Airdrie area and a very fine billiards player. I would think he might have been most active in the 50s, I'll check the Scotsman, many thanks.

As usual.

[100-uper]

always enjoy reading your informative replies.
is there anything you dont know or cant find out?

Thanks atm. I don't know anything about the first cue!

[fenman]

Thanks again for the reply's todate.
Thought i would post some pic's off the 1st cue which i beleave made around 1900's
Got it wrong on the silver mount, not sure if its bone or ivory on which C.Wingfield & Lord Alexander Pace is engraved

[100-uper]

Very strange.

It's not really my area but I would not associate a front splice like that with an Edwardian cue, especially one with a machine splice butt. Looks later to me.

And the inscription is distinctly odd. Presentation cues would normally have a bit more detail than just two names – neither of which I have come across before, although that is not necessarily significant.

Cue experts need to put a date on this one while I have a think. Anyone have an online subscription to "Who was Who" ?

[jb134]

Is it definately machined, my eyes aren't the best.

Like the double splice, must be a very wide butt.

Looks like a very short butt.