When did they turn Professional?

[Cyril]

Dont want you to go out of your way. Be nice to know of all championship centuries but this would involve going through the whole lot. Do you have frame scores and high breaks from the '46 Davis - Lindrum world final?

[Semih_Sayginer]

excellent reading. (as always cyril) [and you too 100]

thanks for all the replies...

[Robert602]

Agreed, all interesting stuff.

[Obligation]

When is the history of snooker not interesting!!

[Semih_Sayginer]

When is the history of snooker not interesting!!

spose it depends whos telling the story...

[The Statman]

I don't know of anyone who has done this, unless they are in one of Clive Everton's books. I have some details of the early championship matches (pre-war) but haven't bothered thereafter, although it shouldn't be too difficult to put the stats together. I know there was a period when professional snooker wasn't well reported in the Billiard Player, but the frame scores were usually reported daily in The Times, of which I have access to a full run. If there are any particular years that are of interest to you I might be able to dig them out, but I wouldn't like to do 1926-68!

I also have access to the Times, and did what I could for the 1927 championship.

It is interesting to note that the first match, between Melbourne Inman and Tom Newman, consisted of 15 frames, either one or two being played at the end of each evening's session of their billiards match, between November 29 and mid-December 1926.

Further, the billiards match was played, experimentally, on a table with 3¼-inch pockets, ¼ inch narrower than standard.

I have found lots of frame scores, but not all, even for this match. Inman won the first frame 97–23.

Even one of the finals from the 20s/early 30s had frame scores for some sessions but not for others. One I recall was a 35-framer, and there were no scores for the session in which Joe Davis achieved an unassailable lead. So we know only that he was, say, 16-10 ahead at the start and ended 18-12. We thus do not know at what point he won the all-important eithteenth frame.

The offical records, of course, give the final score at the end of the following session, so on paper he won 20-15, 19-16 or whatever.

[Obligation]

Statman, could you collect all your stats on a computer database, and I'll buy them all?

(I'll send the memory stick)

Or are they 'un-electronic' ?

[Obligation]

I am aware that my memory stick will need to be more like a 250GB external hard drive.







(Just Kidding)

[100-uper]

Do you have frame scores and high breaks from the '46 Davis - Lindrum world final?

As you are no doubt aware, the final was held from 6th-18th May 1946 at the Royal Horticultural Hall, Vincent Square, Westminster SW1. Covering 12 sessions and 145 frames it was the longest championship match held to that date. The Times reported: "So popular has the game become that although the match was played in a hall able to accommodate 1,250 people, many enthusiasts were still unable to see the play." Davis made his 200th snooker century during this match (133, a championship record) and then broke this record with 136 on Saturday 11th May. Davis, who won by 78 frames to 67, made a total six century breaks during the two weeks' play: 104, 133, 136, 122, 116 and 107. Lindrum's highest break was 86, made in one of the "dead" frames on the final day. Incidentally, our friend Willie Smith was on the (radio) commentary team!

Frame scores (Davis first): Mon 6th: 55-54, 28-92, 98-29, 94-60, 82-34, 54-62, 33-73, 82-34, 71-17, 50-59, 61-49, 55-72 (Closing Scores 7-5 to Davis); Tues 7th: 60-71, 0-125, 42-78, 79-29, 62-36, 118-11, 83-27, 91-31, 70-71, 89-19, 62-47, 37-94 (Closing Scores 14-10 to Davis); Wed 8th: 59-31, 56-61, 114(104)-15, 41-77, 57-66, 52-55, 48-80, 86-15, 65-39, 44-92, 61-62, 67-33 (Closing Scores 19-17 to Davis); Thur 9th: 80-27, 69-40, 37-70, 87-49, 108-25, 58-69, 134(133)-4, 108-25, 35-92, 53-72, 76-31, 38-71 (Closing Scores 23-19 to Davis); Fri 10th: 51-77, 72-35, 22-110, 105-25, 50-78, 23-89, 114-0, 104-36, 96-33, 103-26, 25-73, 52-74. (Closing Scores 32-28 to Davis); Sat 11th: No frame scores. Davis made break of 136. (Closing Scores 39-33 to Davis) Mon 13th: No first session scores. Evening: 103-8, 61-47, 47-72, 68-51, 53-63, 21-103 (Closing Scores 45-39 to Davis); Tue 14th: 96-23, 13-103, 108-26, 79-45, 26-65, 43-89, 63-44, 103-48, 36-83, 59-69, 103-24, 40-87 (Closing Scores 51-45 to Davis); Wed 15th: 69-50, 48-55, 98-36, 22-121, 82-47, 80-44, 87-35, 64-38, 28093, 54-72, 44-72, 44-73, 51-64 (Closing Scores 57-51 to Davis); Thur 16th: 77-33, 75-21, 47-56, 82-37, 82-58, 70-50. No scores for the evening session. (Closing scores 65-55 to Davis); Fri 17th: 55-84, 80-24, 99-31, 35-73, 79-52, 20-93, 67-49, 80-53, 6-93, 123(123)-0, 42-87, 28-97. (Closing scores 71-61 to Davis); Sat 18th: 86-54, 25-105, 91-27, 20-77, 44-67, 71-59, 145-0, 99-15, 85,29, 47-55, 96-23, 26-109, 48-54. (Final scores 78-67 to Davis).

[Cyril]

100-uper, that is excellent - thank you.

Interesting how Joe built a nice lead and seemed to nurse it through the last few days, reaching a winning lead at 73-62.

[nardiello]

He had a wildcard for the China Open in 2001-02; in 2003-04 he played in two EASB Open Tour matches (one of which he conceded a walkover), and you're right, his first 'real' pro action was in 2003-04.

All I did was pick up the CueSport book, and type it up in about 15 minutes! (hence words like frist!).

why did ding junhui concede a walkover in EASB Open tour?

he was playing against who in china open 2001-02 and which tournament was he playing before getting a wild card in masters 2004?

[Semih_Sayginer]

(Statman) the table appears to have been cabbaged

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[Semih_Sayginer]

(Statman) the table appears to have been cabbaged

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all fixed now

thank you to "the fixer"