Crucible Comebacks...

[dantuck_7]

Year Round Winner Player_MaxLead
1985 F "Taylor, Dennis" 8
1994 R1 Bond 7
1978 QF Charlton 6
1992 Final Hendry 6
1996 R1 Griffiths 6
2000 Final "Williams, M." 6
2003 SF Doherty 6
2005 QF Ebdon 6
2005 R2 "Davis, S." 6
2007 QF "Murphy, Shaun" 6
1978 R1 Reardon 5
1982 QF Charlton 5
1985 R1 Thorburn 5
1992 R1 O’Kane 5
1993 SF White 5
1996 QF O’Sullivan 5
2000 R2 Swail 5
2000 SF "Williams, M." 5
2001 R2 Swail 5
2003 R2 Doherty 5
2004 F O’Sullivan 5
2005 R2 Ebdon 5
2007 R1 Selby 5

Have been busy working on the frame scores from all matches at the crucible. I think there are probably some errors in here - so if anyone can spot one or think of other comebacks from 5 frames behind that would be helpful.

[imy147]

Dennis comeback against steve davis was special! Even though i wasnt born haha i have done my research and seen he was 8-0 down to the nugget in the 80s and to come back from that is amazing!

[dantuck_7]

Year P1 P2 Score Winner P1_Pts P2_Pts PtsDiff
2000 O’Sullivan Gray 9–10 Gray 1069 882 187
1982 Higgins, A. White 16–15 Higgins, A 1533 1726 193
2000 O’Brien Small 10–8 O’Brien 879 1081 202
1997 McManus Snaddon 10–9 McManus 934 1141 207
2005 Hunter Holt 8–10 Holt 1069 861 208
1996 White Ebdon 12–13 Ebdon 1463 1244 219
2005 Davis, S. Greene 10–9 Davis, S. 859 1081 222
2006 Dott Robertson 13–12 Dott 1149 1376 227
2001 Lee Ebdon 12-13 Ebdon 1288 1056 232
2005 Dott McCulloch 9–10 McCulloch 1176 942 234
1999 Davis, S. Perry 9–10 Perry 1078 826 252
1994 Doherty McManus 13–11 Doherty 1128 1391 263
1979 Higgins, A. Griffiths 12–13 Griffiths 1645 1341 304
2005 O’Sullivan Ebdon 11–13 Ebdon 1399 1088 311
1999 Hamilton Small 9–10 Small 1271 879 392


Not quite sure if this is going to come out okay - but here are the players that have won crucible matches even though their opponent has scored over 175 more points.

Most be the type of match where you're thinking I should win comfortably and then its suddenly into a decider. They are a couple of matches here involving Alex Higgins - notably the 82 semi-final.

[RaNeN]

I know my question is really very stupid.
What are we talking about here???

[dantuck_7]

Matches at the Crucible where the aggregate points difference is better than than the scoreline would suggest.

Take for example:

1979 Higgins, A. Griffiths 12–13 Griffiths 1645 1341 304

Higgins scored 1645 compared to Grifffiths 1341 - a difference of 304 but Higgins lost. All these matches are very tight - and in some cases there is a more attacking player (Higgins or O'Sullivan for example) who have probably had more centuires in the match - but their opponent has hung in and won the match.

I noticed that the Maguire Higgins semi-final from this year was in this category - with Maguire outscoring Higgins but not being able to finish the match off.

[RaNeN]

Matches at the Crucible where the aggregate points difference is better than than the scoreline would suggest.

Take for example:

1979 Higgins, A. Griffiths 12–13 Griffiths 1645 1341 304

Higgins scored 1645 compared to Grifffiths 1341 - a difference of 304 but Higgins lost. All these matches are very tight - and in some cases there is a more attacking player (Higgins or O'Sullivan for example) who have probably had more centuires in the match - but their opponent has hung in and won the match.

I noticed that the Maguire Higgins semi-final from this year was in this category - with Maguire outscoring Higgins but not being able to finish the match off.

I think I understand now.

[The Statman]

It is not all that unusual for a player to win a match despite scoring fewer points.

Looking at the Crucible alone, the loser outscored the winner in 88 of the 897 matches – that's not all that far off 10%.

The most extreme example in terms of percentage difference, is the 1999 first-rounder between Chris Small and Anthony Hamilton, which Small won 10-9 despite being outscored 879-1271 – i.e. he scored less than 41% of the points in the match!

The greatest winning margin in a match where the winner scored the fewer points came in the 1986 and 1997 finals, both of which were won by 6 frames and yet the runner-up outscored the champion:
Johnson-Davis 18-12 1501-1564
Doherty-Hendry 18-12 1497-1611

David Gray beat Jimmy White in 2006, and Drew Henry beat Mark King in 2003, in the first round with a score of 10-5 despite the loser outscoring (the lesat close best-of-19s).


Indeed, the full list (excluding 2007) will be found here:
http://www.thesnookerforum.com/point...oser-1215.html

[The Statman]

...

I noticed that the Maguire Higgins semi-final from this year was in this category - with Maguire outscoring Higgins but not being able to finish the match off.

Are you sure, Dan?

According to my records Maguire scored 1526 points and Higgins 1698.

[dantuck_7]

No - not certain - I'll have a look tonight.

P.S - What is the secret to posting tables on here?

[The Statman]

...
P.S - What is the secret to posting tables on here?

There is a thread in the support forum on tables, but this is basically it: Everything here is without spaces (although you can have spaces and returns in individual cell entries):

At the start insert this: <table border=1>

At the start of each line: <tr> and at the end: </tr>

Between these, each cell starts with <td> and ends </td>

So for the header row of a table you might have:

<tr><td>Name</td><td>Score</td><td>Position</td></tr>

Then at the end of the table: </table>

Some forums or subforums are set up to disallow tables, by the way.

I find it easiest to do the table in Excel, insert a column between each 'real' column, in which you put a load of </td><td>'s; paste the whole lot as unformatted text into Word, then use Find and Replace to find all the tab characters and returns and replace them with nothing. You can then copy and paste that into the thread, add the table top and table bottom and hey presto it works — but it does require a bit of practice!

[missneworleans]

Thanks for interesting information all!

[samasnookerfan]

Good thread dantuck 7.
Where do you get your information? I think Nigel Bond outscored Peter Ebdon in this years first round, although i'm not sure. He lost the match 10-7 anyway.

[Cyril]

Matches at the Crucible where the aggregate points difference is better than than the scoreline would suggest.

Take for example:

1979 Higgins, A. Griffiths 12–13 Griffiths 1645 1341 304

Higgins scored 1645 compared to Grifffiths 1341 - a difference of 304 but Higgins lost. All these matches are very tight - and in some cases there is a more attacking player (Higgins or O'Sullivan for example) who have probably had more centuires in the match - but their opponent has hung in and won the match.

I noticed that the Maguire Higgins semi-final from this year was in this category - with Maguire outscoring Higgins but not being able to finish the match off.

Great match it was too, Higgy was on for 3 centuries in a row in the first session before breaking down on 45. Griff pinched that frame and ended the first session only 2-6 adrift. Griff made his second century of the match in the decider. One of the all time great Crucible matches.

[davis_greatest]

Great match it was too, Higgy was on for 3 centuries in a row in the first session before breaking down on 45.

That's nothing. I was on for 5 consecutive centuries, including a 147 in the 5th, in a practice match at the weekend. Unfortunately, I broke down on 13 during the first almost-century and that put me right off, as a result of which I never made the other four either.

[Cyril]

Higgy made 105 and 112 first though, DGE! lol