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    Erm, Not quite a historic fact here, but i think this should be the right forum for it.


    My dad has long told me, How my Great-Grandad was amazing at snooker, and although i believed him, never really asked about it, until a few years ago i finally asked about him, and my dad and grandad told me a few interesting things...


    They reckon he was one of the best snooker players to walk the earth (yes, i know, i am new, have 2 posts, and am claiming to be the great grandson of the best snooker player ever) Now, my family would obviously say this, but i questioned it again...

    Apparently, He often played against the top snooker players of his time, and regularly smacked their arses, Now i have forgotten the names of exactly who he played and beat, but i remember that the Davies brothers (fred and joe) were definatly named.

    They also tell me, that he was approached to turn proffessional, and go on a tour of america (and if i remember rightly, it was a woman who asked him) But he declined, favouring instead, to play for pennies down the local.

    My next question to my dad was "well did you ever beat him," to which he told me that the one time he managed to beat him, was when is grandad (my great grandad) was in his seventies, and could hardly see past his nose.


    I have tried looking on the internet, but have had no success, So was wondering if there would be anyone here, who may have contacts in the snooker world, or who themselves may have any information.

    Flicking through the threads, there seems to be a few members who are clued in with their snooker history, so it seems as good a place as any to ask.

    Any information would be fantastic, thanks.

    And his name was Charles Donally, nick-name was The Black Dog, forgot to mention that

  • #2
    Cyril is the guy you want. He's on here quite often. There are some other people who know about snookers histrory too though.
    "You can shove your snooker up your jacksie 'cos I aint playing no more!" Alex Higgins.

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    • #3
      Thankyou Danny, Yea i did notice that Cyril seemed to know his stuff.

      Will look forward to speaking to him.

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      • #4
        Ah I think 100-uper will get this one first (just trying to encourage a bit of healthy competition ). Hope you get the answers you're looking for Don.

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        • #5
          yes it would be very interesting to find out if he was as good as you say, if no-one on here know try visiting www.thecuecollector.com and talk to gordon radford hes VERY clued up on snooker history etc
          Rocket Ronnie Rules!!!

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          • #6
            Yea, He sadly died a few years before i was born, but my grandad told me about the top snoooker players he beat.

            Thanks, i will have a look on that site.

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            • #7
              Like robert602 said there are some very knowledgable people on here that will probably know, but you can visit that website as a back-up, hope you find out everything which you are looking for, if you do find out please post it as i would be very interested in reading it
              Rocket Ronnie Rules!!!

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              • #8
                Very interesting.
                I tried looking, but couldn't find anything. Found a Jim Donelly, but no Charles.
                'I'm nuts,' - Ronnie O'Sullivan

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                • #9
                  Originally Posted by DonDon Valiant
                  And his name was Charles Donally, nick-name was The Black Dog, forgot to mention that
                  Can you just confirm the spelling of the name?

                  "Donally" is quite an unusual name and no snooker or billiard player with this name reached any degree of prominence in the sixty years between 1920 and 1980. There were a couple of players called "Donnelly" who were national champions (one of Ireland, the other Scotland) but they did not appear until the early seventies which is presumably after the period your great-grandfather was active in the game. I am assuming that he was playing in the 1930s and immediately post-war from your references to Joe and Fred Davis, but would be useful if you could give me an approximate date of birth and the town or geographic area from which your great-grandfather came.

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                  • #10
                    Charles Donally is the correct spelling, It seems as though it is a massive shame he didn't turn proffessional.


                    I have managed to contact my grandad, and he has given me a lot more information -

                    -Born in 1898 (although it could have been 99, but we think 98)
                    -Died in 1983.
                    -Born in Smallthorne, Staffordshire, Later moved to Burslem, staffordshire.
                    -Played and beat a certain Ray Reardon (and apparently, this was quite regular, that they played)
                    -My grandad also mentioned a Willy Holts (spelling?) in some sort of knockout game.
                    -He also reiterated the Davies brothers were both beaten.

                    Now for the really interesting bit...

                    ...He played and beat a Lady Barrat, A woman from the USA who, after the match, visited my great grandfarther's home, in burslem, staffordshire, and asked him to tour the usa with her, but he refused. It may make anything a bit easier knowing her name, as she sounded like quite a big thing, touring america etc.

                    Also, he served in the Grenediers in Sudan during world war II, Reapairing some ripped baize, after a drunken sergant ripped it, He was then promoted, and given the responsibilty of looking after the officers mess. I don't know if this will help, But it is definatly quite interesting.

                    The last point also shows that he was playing from 1945 onwards really, that was when he was playing and beating the top players.

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                    • #11
                      Maybe you should somehow contact Ray Reardon, and ask him about Charles Donally!
                      'I'm nuts,' - Ronnie O'Sullivan

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                      • #12
                        Yea i had thought about it, Any ideas how?

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                        • #13
                          No bright ideas spring to mind!
                          'I'm nuts,' - Ronnie O'Sullivan

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                          • #14
                            It seems that the exploits of Charles Donally has escaped the attention of the post-war specialist snooker publications, and I can add no information other than to advise that you direct your search towards the archives of the local Burslem newspapers.

                            Reference to a visit by an American called "Lady Barrat" is unknown to me, and has also gone unnoticed in all the journals I have checked for this period. It seems strange that she had the title of "Lady" as the USA do not have an honours system such as ours which would enable such a title to be bestowed. Perhaps she married an English Lord, or was it a "stage" name? Anyway, I can be of no help with this either.

                            I am also a little confused about the reference to being "approached to turn professional." Basically, prior to 1973, if you competed for prize money you were a professional by definition, so I assume the reference was made in these terms rather than being invited to join the WPBSA, or the "Professional Billiards Players Association", as it was known before it adopted that title.

                            Sorry I can't be of any help in this instance, and best of luck with your search.

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                            • #15
                              Well i think i got a little confused there, He was invited to Tour with this woman.

                              And yes, you have raised some interesting points about the title, Interesting if anyone has heard of her.

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