Another Free Ball query

[bluenose1940]

Is this a Free Ball situation please?

Free Ball.pdf

[DeanH]

yes, free ball - no single red can be hit on both extreme edges

each red is considered individually as if it is the only red on the table
if any can be hit on both extreme edges, no free ball

love the artwork

[DeanH]

I think I have mentioned the following topic to you but as a reminder, go to this link for great info on if you have a free ball, and the following link "and what you can can not do
https://www.thesnookerforum.co.uk/bo...f-you-have-one

[bluenose1940]

Thank you as always DeanH, you can always be relied upon to come up with the answer.

This scenario cropped up in a game I played in last week. I said it was a free ball but my opponent wasn't sure, that put doubt in my mind so I didn't take the free ball, I asked him to play again, he did and opened up an opportunity for me.

[DeanH]

there we go, there is always that option

[Delphi]

Hmm i had a situation like this a few months ago and people that should know ('trained referee') told me that when a group of reds are clustered together they are seen as one, and as you can hit the extreme left and right of the cluster on that example it wouldn't be a free ball...confusing

[Nifty50]

Hmm i had a situation like this a few months ago and people that should know ('trained referee') told me that when a group of reds are clustered together they are seen as one, and as you can hit the extreme left and right of the cluster on that example it wouldn't be a free ball...confusing

But.....the black is in front. The black is the snookering ball as it’s closest to the cue ball in a direct line.

[DeanH]

Hmm i had a situation like this a few months ago and people that should know ('trained referee') told me that when a group of reds are clustered together they are seen as one, and as you can hit the extreme left and right of the cluster on that example it wouldn't be a free ball...confusing

oh dear
each Red is considered as if they were the only Red on the table, never combined
this is not a new "rule" it has been in the books for many many years (pre1970s at least)

[DeanH]

But.....the black is in front. The black is the snookering ball as it’s closest to the cue ball in a direct line.

Delphi is describing that the Red to the left of the Black you can hit the extreme edge on the left (only), AND the Red to the right of the Black you can hit the extreme edge on the right (only), SO as a GROUP you can hit BOTH extreme edges of the GROUP of Reds so no free ball.

THIS IS WRONG

each Red is considered individually

[Nifty50]

Delphi is describing that the Red to the left of the Black you can hit the extreme edge on the left (only), AND the Red to the right of the Black you can hit the extreme edge on the right (only), SO as a GROUP you can hit BOTH extreme edges of the GROUP of Reds so no free ball.

THIS IS WRONG

each Red is considered individually

Yep understand. No free ball.

[DeanH]

Yep understand. No free ball.

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In the original scenario,and in the repeated scenario by Delphi, it is a Free ball as each Red is snookered

[Nifty50]

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In the original scenario,and in the repeated scenario by Delphi, it is a Free ball as each Red is snookered

Sorry to confuse things. Meant FREE BALL. Typed my answer too quickly lol.

[DeanH]

Sorry to confuse things. Meant FREE BALL. Typed my answer too quickly lol.

phew

[Nifty50]

Yep understand. No free ball.

Correction. Meant to type FREE BALL.

[Delphi]

Delphi is describing that the Red to the left of the Black you can hit the extreme edge on the left (only), AND the Red to the right of the Black you can hit the extreme edge on the right (only), SO as a GROUP you can hit BOTH extreme edges of the GROUP of Reds so no free ball.

THIS IS WRONG

each Red is considered individually

I actually had this scenario twice, one on a official interclub tournament where i said it's a free ball and the players of the opposite club said no, same argument, about the group seen as one.
If only Jan Verhaas was here to clear it up