Foul and miss

[guernseygooner]

I know this has changed in recent times but I can't remember which way and can't find in the rules

Player A fouls on green and is now 25 behind with 25 left. It came up recently and I thought the rules changed to a miss NOT being able to be called in this situation.

Someone else said the rule is a miss can be called as Player A can still win with a respot

[itsnoteasy]

I think it's changed no miss now but I could be wrong.

[Starsky]

I wasn’t aware it had changed .

Im sure Dean will be along shortly to point us mere mortals in the right direction..

[DeanH]

I know this has changed in recent times but I can't remember which way and can't find in the rules

Player A fouls on green and is now 25 behind with 25 left. It came up recently and I thought the rules changed to a miss NOT being able to be called in this situation.

Someone else said the rule is a miss can be called as Player A can still win with a respot

Basically now:

If penalty points required before, or as a result of, the stroke being played - not call a F&M.
If points equal before, or as a result of, the stroke being played - call a F&M.

As always the miss is not intentional! - if so this will always be a F&M regardless of any caveat.


Here is the explanation.

Rule Sec 3.14(a)(i)
This rule was rewritten in 2019 where two paragraphs were merged and wording changed, I don't want to show the old so not to confuse anyone.

The rule as of May 2022:

Sec 3.14(a)(i)
(a) The striker shall, to the best of their ability, endeavour to hit the ball on or a ball that could be on after a Red, or a free ball nominated as a Red, has been potted. If the referee considers the Rule infringed, they shall call FOUL AND A MISS unless:
(i) any player required penalty points before, or as a result of, the stroke being played and the referee is satisfied that the miss was not intentional;

How to read the above... paragraph (a) the referee will call a F&M (the important word here-) unless.... then paragraph (i), etc; no call of F&M.

If the score is or will be equal (and a resport black required) a F&M may now be called.


From the Rules Explanatory Notes 2019
Changes to Section 3 Rule 14 Foul and a Miss
In paragraph (a), the previous wording of when, before or after a stroke, the points available on the table are equal to the points difference excluding the value of the re-spotted Black is deleted. The referee may now call FOUL AND A MISS in this situation.

[DeanH]

I think it's changed no miss now but I could be wrong.

"when scores are or can be equal" has changed but to F&M call - the other way round, it was no call but now is a call

I wasn’t aware it had changed .

Im sure Dean will be along shortly to point us mere mortals in the right direction..

tada!
glad to be so predictable

Even I read and re-read the rules and my words over and over to ensure I got it right all the way through

[guernseygooner]

Thanks all

[Starsky]

"when scores are or can be equal" has changed but to F&M call - the other way round, it was no call but now is a call

Hi Dean ,

Can you enlighten me even further by telling me what ‘can be equal’ means please

[DeanH]

Hi Dean ,

Can you enlighten me even further by telling me what ‘can be equal’ means please

At the stroke where the foul occurred after penalty points applied; the points available on the table are equal to the points difference - as per the OP scenario, 25 points behind with 25 on table - a F&M can be called.

It is "can be" because the game has not finished yet, but if one player pots the remain colours (as per OP scenario) the score can be equal.

[guernseygooner]

At the stroke where the foul occurred after penalty points applied; the points available on the table are equal to the points difference - as per the OP scenario, 25 points behind with 25 on table - a F&M can be called.

It is "can be" because the game has not finished yet, but if one player pots the remain colours (as per OP scenario) the score can be equal.

Hello Dean

Am I right in thinking the original rule was like this? Then changed around 2011 to no miss being called in this scenario, but recently changing back?

[DeanH]

Hello Dean

Am I right in thinking the original rule was like this? Then changed around 2011 to no miss being called in this scenario, but recently changing back?

In essence yes, it was 2011 when the "before or after stroke" words were added.

[itsnoteasy]

Does that work both ways? So if you're 31 ahead with colours left and miss the yellow, it is called a miss now?

[DeanH]

Does that work both ways? So if you're 31 ahead with colours left and miss the yellow, it is called a miss now?

Yes, The difference as a result of the stroke being played would then equal to that available - a Miss can be called.