What's the penalty?

[DeanH]

I have reservations about your interpretations of the rules relating to playing the in hand cue-ball from outside the D, as mentioned previously.

Rule S2.9(b)(i) states that: The cue-ball remain in hand until it is played legally from in hand.
and
Rule S2.6(c) states that: A stroke is legal when no infringement of the Rules is committed.

This suggests to me that if the in hand cue-ball is incorrectly played from outside the D ( an infringement and therefore not a legal stroke) then the cue-ball remains in hand and not therefore in play.

Am I misinterpreting the Rules??

yep, I got that from the first time you mentioned 2.9(b)(i)
and that is precisely what I have passed back to my associate, awaiting a reply

[arnold jones]

We did not mention Rule 2.6(c) previously.

[DeanH]

We did not mention Rule 2.6(c) previously.

I know but it is one of those rules that always floating the background

[DeanH]

yep, I got that from the first time you mentioned 2.9(b)(i)
and that is precisely what I have passed back to my associate, awaiting a reply

My associate has replied "they are misinterpreting these rules".

I will come back later if I may.... GTR

[arnold jones]

Thank you so much for your perseverance , much appreciated.

[arnold jones]

Any further thoughts on the ‘ball in hand’ or ‘ball in play’ after striking the cue ball (in hand) from outside the D?

[Ronan1001]

My associate has replied "they are misinterpreting these rules".

I will come back later if I may.... GTR

That's why we need referees to interpret the rules correctly. I'm often confused about the rules myself.
The good thing is that my friends and I can deviate a little bit from the official rules by agreement. I guess that's the difference between amateur play for fun and professional play.

[Alan Tibbles]

A friend of mine is a referee and he says that it's more of a question of recovery. Yes, if the cue ball is played illegally from outside the D this is a 4-point foul. However, you cannot easily recover from this by replacing all the balls that moved as a result of the foul. So, the table is classified as legal and it's up to the other player to decide if he wants to play from there or ask the offending player to play the shot.