Where do you get your kicks?

[tabbfan]

i had to laugh at the topic as i suffer from adhd so therefore took the subject heading quite literally lol

i could have said allsorts in reply to that but il spare you all the gory details lol

[Strickimicki]

Hi all,

thanks for joining in

I would just like to say a few things about kicks.

I'm still in the opinion that the reason for kicks is still not 100% certain (scientifically seen).

Kicks get on my bloody nerves all the time, when I'm playing well, even more!

If you've never noticed a kick before (vainparasite), then you're playing all of your shots to hard! When the cue ball jumps a centimeter off the table, that's a kick. Paying with bottom the objectball jumps or both.

I didn't want to get into this to much thats why I never answered (vmax4steve) but (moglet) is right!

Anybody getting there kicks in places other than the snooker table, they should write about them as well! It would make some very interesting reading!

all the best,

Brian

[AntMac147]

I usually get them, as Matoski said, with low pace and centre striking, like around the black spot area just rolling balls in.

[noel]

I usually get them, as Matoski said, with low pace and centre striking, like around the black spot area just rolling balls in.

Same here Anthony!
In that circumstance do you find you might compensate for the possibility of kicks by potting more firmly or do you just hope it won't happen?


=o)

Noel

[nam1977]

I get kicks sometimes, usualy playing just above center or top as well.

But I think my problem with that is I don't play with cue parralel to table all the time.
Think for me that is what causes my kicks, when strinking slightly down on cue ball. Casue when I play with cue parralel to table it rarely happens when using top.
Its another bad habit of mine. But in general I play better that way.

[AntMac147]

Same here Anthony!
In that circumstance do you find you might compensate for the possibility of kicks by potting more firmly or do you just hope it won't happen?


=o)

Noel

Just hope it doesn't happen lol sometimes when I get to a shot like that I'm expecting the kick lol its horrible haha

[RGCirencester]

Depends on the shot i think, somtimes playing the black you would rather have to play from the cusion if you dont get a kick than have no shot at all if you get one and stop short.

[vmax4steve]

Strickimicki,
From a transferred chalk mark point of view, I would like to ask vmax4steve if he can show with any conviction that, assuming there is no intervening cushion, a ball struck with side has more chance or less of finding the chalk spot in the contact area if the shot were a full ball one, as well as for the contact that is anything less than full ball? In the general case simple physics suggests otherwise, but there is a special case when it can occur using side, mercifully fairly rare.

Imagine a cue ball with a stripe of chalk around it the width of your tip, like a pool ball. Play a dead straight shot with either top or bottom and you would say that there is a probability that you would definitley get a kick as the whole of the contact point on the cue ball has chalk on it.
Play the shot with side and there is more chance of the contact point being from the clean sides of the cue ball as the cue ball is also spinning sideways.

The same odds apply in reverse with a shot that is not dead straight, as the clean sides of the cue ball will make the contact point with only top or bottom spin as the chalk stripe is on the centre line.
Put side on and the odds of the chalk stripe making the contact point increase as the cue ball is spinning sideways.

Nothing to do with physics, merely odds and chance.

[moglet]

Play the shot with side and there is more chance of the contact point being from the clean sides of the cue ball as the cue ball is also spinning sideways.

Can you clarify the orientation of your chalk stripe before you play the shot with side?

[Strickimicki]

I was out playing this evening!

Played crap! But I got to lovely kicks, both played with top! It really does work wonders for postional play!

Pi**ed off,

Good night!

[vmax4steve]

Can you clarify the orientation of your chalk stripe before you play the shot with side?

Chalk stripe is wherever the cue ball is struck by the tip of the cue in relation to how it is spinning. When struck in the centre the stripe remains on the centre line while spinning, as it has an axis of rotation, either forwards or backwards.
When struck with side the stripe has no axis of rotation as it is spinning both sideways and forwards (top side) and sideways and backwards (bottom side).

I use the image of a chalk stripe to show that the chalk mark left on the cue ball struck with top or bottom spin is always on the centre line of the cue ball, with side it is not.

[Strickimicki]

If this is purely a chalk spot that creates the mentioned kicks, how come I've never to my knowledge ever had a kick when the cueball hits the objectball off the cushion?

The chalk line theory is a little wobbley don't you think?

Please don't suggest that the cueball hitting the cushion wipes away the chalk mark, the odds on that are very remote

It sounds good and maybe has potential, but not the only reason!

[moglet]

When struck with side the stripe has no axis of rotation as it is spinning both sideways and forwards (top side) and sideways and backwards (bottom side).

I beg to differ, this diagram may explain what I am driving at. Addressing the ball at 10.30 (clock face), if you align your stripe at 45º so the stripe passes through the point on the ball surface closest to you and the point where you are going to strike it, play the shot and you will see the stripe remain in that orientation as the ball moves away from you, gradually it will decay as true forward roll takes effect. It is more difficult to show the effect if the shot is played with drag and side spin, but the plane of the stripe will remain in the direction of the ball's linear motion. It is the axis of rotation that varies in relation to the bed but always remains at right angles to the direction of linear motion.

Try marking an equator or great circle on a ball and set it up as I described.

[noel]

[QUOTE=moglet;371639]

Well explained and a helpful diagram... Thank you!
I hope not to change the subject by asking, but, do you have or have you seen any diagrams of the angles of cue deflection off the object ball using different types/force of stun/tops/side?


Cheers!


=o)

Noel

[Strickimicki]

You don't need to beg!

I understand where you are coming from with and with out the drawing.

But can you workout the the odds of that point hitting the object ball exactly at the contact point!

It is very remote!

But in the line of forward travel, why don't I get kicks coming out of the cushion! The Cueball is still traveling along its vertical axis if the shot has been play with top!

I have never to my knowledge seen or had a kick when the cueball comes out of the cushion!

Further more, why don't we get kicks as a follow on from obectball to objectball, they also pick up chalk?