Completion of Frame and Scoring

[Hyperonic]

In a club game the goal of one player is to win the frame by 50 points or more while the other is trying to prevent that. The first player gets 50 points ahead after potting the final blue. Pink is potted by the next player so that he is 44 points behind. The question is that

Will the frame automatically end or not after the pink has been potted, or can the striker continue with his break by potting the final black to end the frame losing by 37 points ?

If the answer is yes i.e. the losing striker can continue with the break but fails to pot the black, then does the frame end now or does the player with 44 points lead have the option/right to continue the frame, so as to achieve 51 points winning score by potting black ?


1. Frame
...until the frame is completed by:
(b) claim by the striker when only the Black remains and there is more than seven points difference between the scores in his favour,

[DawRef]

If I understand this correctly, the 'rules' of your game are that to win the frame, you must be 50 points or more by the time the black is potted. So, when the pink was potted, Player B was only 44 points behind, and therefore, by your rules, the frame hadn't ended, as Player A could still pot the black and win by 1 point. I assume that if Player B then pots the black to be 37 points behind, he has won the frame.

Had Player A been 64 in front after potting the blue, then when Player B pots the pink, he will be 58 points adrift and cannot 'win' the frame, as if he pots the black, he would still be 51 points behind. So there would be no need to pot the black by either player. (Technically, Section 2 Rule 1(b) would then apply).

[RocketRoy1983]

Yes dawref this is how I understand the posters interpretation of the game he plays to read.

[RGCirencester]

The ruling states claim by the striker. If the striker wishes to pot the black whether he is losing by 50 points or not, he can. Also if you clear the colours to win, but leave the final black when more than 7 points ahead this is your perogative. The frame does not automatically end in any case unless the player currently at the table decides it is over.
This is how i have always understood the rule.

[Hyperonic]

Had Player A been 64 in front after potting the blue, then when Player B pots the pink, he will be 58 points adrift and cannot 'win' the frame, as if he pots the black, he would still be 51 points behind. So there would be no need to pot the black by either player. (Technically, Section 2 Rule 1(b) would then apply).

Actually there was no agreed 'rule' for winning by 50 points or more. The rules were the same as in a usual game. It just happened that player A was playing better and in the end player B knew that he was going to lose anyway but his aim was then to prevent the humiliation of losing by 50 points or more while player A's new target was to win by 50 points or more.

So in the end if player A is 56 points ahead after potting the last pink, then can he call the end of frame without playing the black or does the frame continue on player B's insistence, where payer B would then have a chance to lose by 49 points and prevent the psychological 50+ point defeat ?

Likewise does player B have the right to call the end of frame if after potting pink he gets 44 points behind player A who insist on continuing the frame so as to have the chance to win by 51 points ?

[vmax4steve]

Why doesn't player A just give player B fifty start, over and out.