Foul Shot or not?

[goshow]

A foul has been commited and you have the cue ball in hand. You place the cue ball in the D and behind the baulk line and position the cue ball using your cue. in the process you use the tip of your cue to move it into position before geting down to strike the ball.

Foul or Not?

Give reasons for your voting?

[RGCirencester]

Not unless the referee believes the cue tip touched the white while you were attempting a stroke

5. Playing from In-hand
(b) If the tip of the cue should touch the cue-ball while positioning it, and the referee is satisfied that the striker was not attempting to play a stroke, then the cue-ball is not in play.

[ste bed]

that used to be a foul until they changed the rules

[RocketRoy1983]

No its not a foul.

[DawRef]

No foul.

As RGCirencester quotes below:

5. Playing from In-hand
(b) If the tip of the cue should touch the cue-ball while positioning it, and the referee is satisfied that the striker was not attempting to play a stroke, then the cue-ball is not in play.

[s0nic]

no, it's not a foul i believe

[goshow]

All of the above are correct. The reason I ask is becasue I took my grade 3 Referees exam yesterday with Dave Fisher, I passed but was quite shocked to hear that this was not a foul. In my local league i had been awarded four points by another person doing this very thing in the 08/09 season and in 07/08 i'd had four away for doing it myself.

I was just intrigued as to how many folks thought it counted as a stroke.

[steedee]

All of the above are correct. The reason I ask is becasue I took my grade 3 Referees exam yesterday with Dave Fisher, I passed but was quite shocked to hear that this was not a foul. In my local league i had been awarded four points by another person doing this very thing in the 08/09 season and in 07/08 i'd had four away for doing it myself.

I was just intrigued as to how many folks thought it counted as a stroke.

I thought it was a foul....

Untill i read these posts!

[The Statman]

Yes, we must here appreciate the distinction between using the cue to position the ball, in which case it's not a foul if the tip should make contact with the ball; and getting down to play a stroke where, if you 'feather' the white with the tip as part of the preparation of the stroke, that IS a foul just as it would be at any other part of the table.

[Rane]

that used to be a foul until they changed the rules

I thought it still was, but appearently it has changed.

[JamesFoster]

Watch Steve Davis hit the cue ball in error whilst feathering in the 1st round WSC 1982 against Tony Knowles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbxbyoc4C4A

[RocketRoy1983]

Watch Steve Davis hit the cue ball in error whilst feathering in the 1st round WSC 1982 against Tony Knowles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbxbyoc4C4A

Yes it seems his confidence and concentration was shot to pieces in THAT match.

[karkit1028]

i thought it was a foul...
thx for bringing up this question and clarifying the rules~

[drlog147]

i thought it was a foul...
thx for bringing up this question and clarifying the rules~

is there a place online to download the full up to date rule book

[RGCirencester]

You could just look on the world snooker website http://www.worldsnooker.com/rules_of_snooker.htm