is it a foul

[karl parris]

if you atempt to break off and miss the reds is this a foul?

[noel]

if you atempt to break off and miss the reds is this a foul?

Yes.


=o(

Noel

[mick 142]

hi noel you tried the osullivan grip yet.cheers mick.

[noel]

hi noel you tried the osullivan grip yet.cheers mick.

Tonight!
Tonight I fired off dozens and dozens of balls straight into pockets to get the rhythm.
Fawesome!

Took it to running the colours then line up then Selby "T" then O'Sullivan "X"

Thank you. And, thanks for asking Mick.

Good.



=o)

Noel

[poolqjunkie]

I am not sure if you have to have stiked it pass the baulk line or not for the frame to be offically started. But I am pretty sure if you miss the pack it is a foul. Probably someone who knows the rule can explain it better.

Like what if in the fiorst frame of the match, I strike my ball from the bottom of the D and I mis cue, the cue ball only moves forward a couple mm without passing the baulk line, is that still a foul, can I agrue that the frame has not officially started yet?

I believe in 9 ball, the game is not considered started until the cue ball passes the forward of the head string, not sure if it is still so though, as it has been a while since I played pool.

[Terry Davidson]

Can't remember the exact wording but the frame commences as soon as the white is struck by the stiker and it doesn't matter where it goes, it's a foul unless he strikes a red first

Terry

[mick 142]

thats good mate stick with it .and not to tight on the grip.cheers.

[DawRef]

Yes it is a foul:

Unlike pool, the cue ball does not have to cross the baulk line. The cue-ball can be struck in any direction, as long as it hits the desired object ball (in this case a red).

If the player mis-cues and the cue-ball only travels a few millimetres, the referee should call 'foul and a miss' and a four point penalty (unless another ball of higher value has been hit).

The player's opponent then has the usual 3 options after such a call:
(i) playing himself from where the cue-ball has finished;
(ii) asking his opponent to play from where the cue-ball has finished; or
(iii) asking the referee to replace all balls and the player playing again.
If (iii), the referee will place the cue ball in its original position. The player does not have the choice of where to break off from.

[wildJONESEYE]

if you atempt to break off and miss the reds is this a foul?

sounds like a strange question if you dont mind me saying ..

have you ever watched snooker ? if you did then you should know not hitting a ball=foul.

[bongo]

have you ever watched snooker ? if you did then you should know not hitting a ball=foul.

I think the question was asked as sometimes it can be a bit confusing because sometimes people think the frame doesn't start until the cue-ball hits the reds but this isn't true. Here is the official ruling:

Section 3 Rule 3
c) The first player plays from in-hand, the frame commencing when the cue-ball has been placed on the table and contacted by the tip of the cue, either
(i) as a stroke is made, or
(ii) while addressing the cue-ball.

This makes it clear that even if the reds are missed on the break-off, the frame has started and it's a foul. Also note the rule says "when the cue-ball has been placed on the table and contacted by the tip of the cue" so even if a player places the cue-ball out of the 'D', and hits the reds, obviously it's a foul (playing from ball in-hand outside the 'D') but the frame has started! The "while addressing the cue-ball" also means if a miscue happens, or by 'feathering' the cue-ball. If a player, for some reason, hit the cue-ball with the side of the cue, then the frame hasn't started yet as it hasn't been struck by the tip of the cue according to the rule!

So, the answer to your question, it's a foul.

[wildJONESEYE]

yes but that meens a player can atempt to hit the pack for 3 hours and because hes blind he misses 1000 and the shot cant be called a foul or a miss because the frame hasent started yet

i think it wasent confusing was it.

[noel]

Gentlemen... why the confusion?

It's simple.

Player to break positions cueball in "D" gets down and shoots.
If he/she "whiffs" the cueball [ misses entirely ], however embarassing, it's not a foul.
Only once the cue strikes the cueball does the game ,with all applicable rules, begin.

Or am I missing something?!?!



=o\

Noel

[Terry Davidson]

A message for NOEL:
You are Cordially Invited to compete in the OBSA Ranking tournaments for the 2009/10 season. The first one will be at The Annex at 507 Bloor St. W (west of Spadina, east of Bathurst, Green P parking just south of Bloor less than a block away, Tim Horton's right there).

All the rules and regulations (dress code, entry fee, membership dues, etc.) are published on www.snookerline.com under the 'OBSA' link at the top. There are 2 classes of players - Open for players who are capable of a century break and 'A' for those that can run 40 or so in a match. Depending on your skill level, if you are classed as an 'A' (Odie Willet and I assess your skill level) and you play in 5 out of the 12 tournaments you would be eligible to play in the 'A'-only qualifier at the end of the season and also the one or two Direct Entry where everyone who has qualified (those ranked in the top 14 or so) are not allowed to play.

Achieving a ranking of 14 or above or 1st or 2nd in the 'A' or else 1st or 2nd in the Direct Entry will give you a paid spot into the Canadian Championships which will be held in mid-June 2010 in Ontario, likely at Shooters, but that hasn't been confirmed as yet by the owner.

Playing conditions will be match balls, match cloths (all the tables have been re-clothed recently with WOE 6811 Gold) and straight IBSF rules, including the 'Miss' rule. Pre-registration prior to 8pm on the Friday evening before is required and your first match time will be posted on snookerline.com by about 9pm on the Friday evening. We usually get somewhere between 28 and 40 players and it's a random draw.

If you have any questions, let me know. Also, let all the guys you play with know as we would be happy to see them. I will be at the Annex around 10am on the Saturday to take the entry fee and membership fee and you can pre-register with me anytime before 8pm on the Friday.

Any Ontario resident is eleigible.

Terry

[noel]

Thanks a lot Terry.

On-topic... did I miss something about "is it a foul" thread?


=o)

Noel

[Terry Davidson]

Nope...you have it correct. I decided to post the message to you in case there are any other Ontario players also interested in playing in the qualifiers and the Canadians. We were not drawing many Hamilton players last season except for Pat Graham and Gregg Griffiths and perhaps a couple of others.

I figured now that you have the 'Ronnie' grip mastered you would be anxious to come and show Ontario's finest just how it's done. With a random draw you may get Floyd, Fern, Kirk, Vito, John Ev., or one of the other good players or you may draw one of the 'A' players...'luck of the draw' as they say, but at least you won't draw Ronnie.

Terry