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what is the answer to this?player is playing the ball "from hand".ball on is red but before playing the cue ball he touches one of the baulk colours.foul 4 point penalty but the question i am asking is.....does next player play from hand or from where cue ball rests?????
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if the cue ball still is in hand (hasn't been placed properly in the D), then the next player's got cue ball in hand.
if it's placed on the table bed and THEN a foul occurs, the other guy's got to play from where the white is (or force the fouling guy to continue from THERE). -
That's right, except for one small detail in the first paragraph which was corrected in the second.Originally Posted by Krypton View Post
If the cue-ball is still in-hand when the foul is committed (i.e. not been placed on the table – not necessarily in the D), then the following player is in-hand.
If it has been placed on the table (even if not in the D) then the oncoming player must play from where it's been left.Comment
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Thanks for making it absolutely extra clear.Comment
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I had a discussion with Jan ver Haas about this rule. My point was that if the player was rolling the cue-ball from side to side whilst deliberating his next stroke, if his sleeve then touched a ball, the cue ball was still in hand and the next player played from in hand. YVH disagreed and said that it would be played from where the cue ball was when the foul was committed.
This could be a very difficult thing to do. My question is what if in one place a free ball could be given, yet a couple of cm further over it is not a free ball. The referee could be forced to make a very difficult decision, as between when he noticed the foul, and calling 'foul' the cue ball may have moved a couple of cm.
My reasoning is that even though the cue ball is on the bed of the table, it is still under the control of the player's hand and therefore, technically, still 'in hand'. By allowing the next player, therefore, to play from 'in hand', any ambiguity about whether a free ball could be given would be removed. Admittedly, whatever decision the referee came to would be final.You are only the best on the day you win.Comment
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Section 2 Definitions:
9. In-hand
(a) The cue-ball is in-hand
(i) before the start of each frame,
(ii) when it has entered a pocket, or
(iii) when it has been forced off the table.
(b) It remains in-hand until
(i) it is played fairly from in-hand, or
(ii) a foul is committed whilst the ball is on the table
The cue ball ceases to be in-hand when the foul is committed, it's quite clear in the rules.
If the cue ball is moving when the foul is committed, then the following player has the options:
- play himself from the position left, possibly with a free ball
- put his opponent back in (ie the player who fouled)
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