about side?

[visionaire]

Thanks for the answers. That would make the shot he plays at 1:45 into this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3c6p...eature=channel Check side and not, as he says, Running, right?

[sprogbasket]

Interesting thread - whilst playing with side might only rarely affect the object ball it always affects the path of the cue ball - PRIOR to and AFTER contact with object ball and or cushion.

As a result you do have to compensate for aligning pots and for positional play.

Consequently most top professionals prefer to play without side as this minimises opportumities for error.

Obviously there are times when one has to play with side and this is where practice and experience brings some rewards - there are many variables to take into account however,- including speed of table, strength of shot, knap of table , distance between balls , playing with the knap or against the knap, how much side etc ....as you see quite alot of compensation and experience required to consistently play accurately with side.

I have found that I tend to play significantly better when I make concerted efforts NOT to play with side unless I really have to - this means being very careful to make centre ball striking - easier than it actually sounds.

[hotpot]

Thanks for the answers. That would make the shot he plays at 1:45 into this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3c6p...eature=channel Check side and not, as he says, Running, right?

No that is running side , if he put right side on it would be check side .

[nrage]

Interesting thread - whilst playing with side might only rarely affect the object ball it always affects the path of the cue ball - PRIOR to and AFTER contact with object ball and or cushion.

The key thing that some people (not you) do not realise, is that side spin does not affect the path of the white after contact with the object ball.

It may affect the path to the object ball, due to squirt and swerve.

It mostly affects the path off the cushion. It has less effect on shallow angles onto/off the cushion, it has it's maximum effect when hitting the cushion at 90 degrees.

This is the most concise, complete, and coherent set of explanations I've found:
http://www.youtube.com/user/FargoBil.../4/2J0I6IgLlo8
http://www.youtube.com/user/FargoBil.../5/Oii0UhnYjCc

In fact, this uploader FargoBilliards has a lot of excellent videos, focusing on the principles and physics.

[visionaire]

No that is running side , if he put right side on it would be check side .

This is the part I dont get, by playing it with left he is narrowing the angle of deflection of the cueball, therefore it's check side right? He plays the shot with right later on, and the cueball travels further up the table with a much broader angle. How can this be check side?

[damienlch]

Running or Check Side Definitions

let's see if i can put this as simply as i can... please correct me if i'm in any way mistaken...

Scenario:
Cue ball makes contact with the cushion after hitting the object ball.

1. Let's define the angle at which the cue ball leaves the cushion when played without any side as the natural angle.

2. Running side or check side are definitions used to describe the angle the cue ball leaves the cushion when compared with its natural angle.

3. When the natural angle is widened after the cue ball leaves the cushion, you have applied running side to the cue ball.

4. When the natural angle is narrowed after the cue ball leaves the cushion, you have applied check side to the cue ball.

cheers...

[roykay]

nrage,
side does affect the path of the cue ball after contact with the object ball.
Try playing in off's with check or running side.
Roy bacon

[hotpot]

This is the part I dont get, by playing it with left he is narrowing the angle of deflection of the cueball, therefore it's check side right? He plays the shot with right later on, and the cueball travels further up the table with a much broader angle. How can this be check side?

Its all about the angle and position of the balls . Running side , the white runs in the same direction as the angle the white takes after contact with object ball .

Check side and the white checks against the direction it takes after contact .

I f you take the first shot in this video where he plays running side , if he places the white about two inches to the left and plays the same shot it becomes check side because the natural angle takes the white to the right but left hand side checks it back to the left .

What determines check or running side is the position of the balls , its irrelevant if its left or right side used , the position and the direction of travel by the cue ball will determine if your using check or running side .

[mswendrows]

The cue ball coming off one side rail with running side and traveling across the table will then have check side coming off the opposite side rail. Vice versa applies.

The cue ball with running off a side rail will continue with running off the top and opposite side and bottom.

Running speeds a ball up coming off a rail while check slows it down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oii0UhnYjCc Another good video from Mike Page FargoBilliards.

[02aleric]

sorry to go slightly off topic again but i'm convinced side can not be 'transferred' from the cueball to an object ball. The following video supports this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B4f_...x=0&playnext=1 There's also a similiar video on youtube where steve davis does the same sort of thing, if Davis believes it, it's good enough for me! Plus the physics of it, two highly polished surfaces, it just doesn't happen! If the balls were made of velcro then maybe a different story!

[Theguywithaplan]

sorry to go slightly off topic again but i'm convinced side can not be 'transferred' from the cueball to an object ball. The following video supports this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B4f_...x=0&playnext=1 There's also a similiar video on youtube where steve davis does the same sort of thing, if Davis believes it, it's good enough for me! Plus the physics of it, two highly polished surfaces, it just doesn't happen! If the balls were made of velcro then maybe a different story!

Explain how shots like these are possible then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRIRuSqRLU

[02aleric]

if you watch the spots of the 8 ball, you caan clearly see it is rolling with no side at all, the only explanation i can give is when it turns of the final cushion it was close to the jaw of the pocket. this must have affected the angle, other than that i am struggling, but you can clearly see there is no side on the ball

[Theguywithaplan]

if you watch the spots of the 8 ball, you caan clearly see it is rolling with no side at all, the only explanation i can give is when it turns of the final cushion it was close to the jaw of the pocket. this must have affected the angle, other than that i am struggling, but you can clearly see there is no side on the ball

It was moving too fast for me to tell whether it was spinning sideways. After it hit the second cushion it clearly wasnt but before that I couldn't tell. Here's another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nqkt...eature=related
I don't think these shots could be possible without imparted side.

[Theguywithaplan]

I found a video discussing spin transfer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGXU...eature=related

[02aleric]

Pretty sure i can explain these. the first one is sort of transferred side but not really. The object ball is on the cushion, as thee cushions are softer than the balls they cushion the blow and actually aallow the balls to remain in contact for slightly longer, giving the balls slightly more time for side to be 'transferred'. However the side imparted on the ball is more a result of the object ball being on the cushion. As the ball is struck on the right side and it is touching the cushion, it wants to slide up the cushion, however the cushion absorbs this and as the cushion are softer than the balls, it springs the ball back out with slight clockwise spin! complicated to explain but it is similiar to gear effect in golf. it's often called a squeeze shot, in fact on the comments of the video i posted earlier, the author actually explains this. The second video is all duee to throw and swerve, you can again clearly see the object ball is rolling without side.