Free ball arguement, help please?

[snookerfan91]

I played my friend earlier on during the game I played a foul (missing the ball) and he could see one side of the ball and not the other side, and he claimed it was a free ball and then he decided to play for another ball and snookered behind it, that is wrong isn't it? I didn't want a huge arguement so kept my mouth shut but it did annoy me.

A free ball is when you can't see either side of the ball and when you do free ball shot you can't snooker them behind the ball you are taking as a 'free ball' can you? That is right, correct?

[RGCirencester]

If you cannot hit both extreme edges of any ball that is or could be on you are snookered. So to put it simply you must be able to see a balls width either side of the object ball or you are considered snookered.

It is a foul to snooker behind a free ball unless only the pink and black remain in which case it would be allowed to snooker behind the black if that was nominated as a free ball. In all other circumstances you cannot snooker behind a free ball.
For instance if your opponent just tapped the white and left it behind the free ball that would be a foul and you would be awarded a free ball yourself.

[snookerfan91]

If you cannot hit both extreme edges of any ball that is or could be on you are snookered. So to put it simply you must be able to see a balls width either side of the object ball or you are considered snookered.
For instance if your opponent just tapped the white and left it behind the free ball that would be a foul and you would be awarded a free ball yourself.

It is a foul to snooker behind a free ball unless only the pink and black remain in which case it would be allowed to snooker behind the black if that was nominated as a free ball. In all other circumstances you cannot snooker behind a free ball.

Thank you that verifys it spot on

[lk8]

you can snooker behind the free ball if only the pink and black remain on the table

OR

you can snooker behind the free ball, if another ball is also snookering another ball-on (only possible when red is the ball-on) in a different path, but if it's obstructing the same path, ie. snookering same ball, then the closer, or the equidistant ball is the effective snookering ball, in this case the free ball must not be the (or one of) effective snookering ball

OR

you can snooker behind the free ball, if the jaw of the cushion is closer to the cue ball than the free ball, in this case, you're not really "snookered" behind the free ball... in fact, you are not "snookered" at all...

[RGCirencester]

you can snooker behind the free ball if only the pink and black remain on the table

OR

you can snooker behind the free ball, if another ball is also snookering another ball-on (only possible when red is the ball-on) in a different path, but if it's obstructing the same path, ie. snookering same ball, then the closer, or the equidistant ball is the effective snookering ball, in this case the free ball must not be the (or one of) effective snookering ball

OR

you can snooker behind the free ball, if the jaw of the cushion is closer to the cue ball than the free ball, in this case, you're not really "snookered" behind the free ball... in fact, you are not "snookered" at all...

All very good points that I was too lazy to explain at the time (well except the case of only the pink and black remaining as that didn't require many words )

[snookerfan91]

you can snooker behind the free ball if only the pink and black remain on the table

OR

you can snooker behind the free ball, if another ball is also snookering another ball-on (only possible when red is the ball-on) in a different path, but if it's obstructing the same path, ie. snookering same ball, then the closer, or the equidistant ball is the effective snookering ball, in this case the free ball must not be the (or one of) effective snookering ball

OR

you can snooker behind the free ball, if the jaw of the cushion is closer to the cue ball than the free ball, in this case, you're not really "snookered" behind the free ball... in fact, you are not "snookered" at all...

Alright, thanks for clearing that up mate.

So I'm in the right not my pal?

[lk8]

Alright, thanks for clearing that up mate.

So I'm in the right not my pal?

can't answer this unless you can tell us the exact situation including which ball was on, which colour he nominated as the free ball, which colour ball did he snooker behind, if there is other balls that are in the way etc.etc.etc...

[lk8]

All very good points that I was too lazy to explain at the time (well except the case of only the pink and black remaining as that didn't require many words )

haha... yeah... it took me a bit of thinking trying to explain all the points, when I clicked reply, your post wasn't even there yet, so looking at the time stamp, it took me at least 15 minutes to type up that post...

[snookerfan91]

can't answer this unless you can tell us the exact situation including which ball was on, which colour he nominated as the free ball, which colour ball did he snooker behind, if there is other balls that are in the way etc.etc.etc...

All the colours was on there spots apart from the yellow which was behind the black and the white was behind the blue (snookered from the yellow), he then tapped it and snookered me behind the blue (he nominated the blue), surely this is wrong? I was then left snooker behind the blue, attempting to hit the yellow

[RGCirencester]

You certainly cannot just tap the white up to the free ball and snooker behind it. The closest snookering ball would be the blue, and so it would be a foul and you would be awarded a free ball yourself. Or you could put him back in and make him play from there

[snookerfan91]

I thought I was right thanks for clearing it up