Rules when you are snookered?

[monkey]

Right, ive never been too sure on this rule. Say im snookered and i miss, can the other player call for me to re-take the shot, moving the cue ball back to the original position, or can he have a free shot potting any ball he likes, or can he just come back to the table after the miss and continue from whereever the white settles? Which ones happen and in which situations?

[Terry Davidson]

You do have it wrong. After a foul and a MISS the non-striker has 4 options, or without a free ball situation 3 options.

They are:

1. He can take the shot as it lies in his normal turn without moving the cueball back.
2. He can have the striker play again from where the cueball lies after the MISS.
3. He can have the cueball replaced (along with any other balls which have been moved) and have the striker re-play the shot.
4. If the non-striker is snookered after the MISS then he has the option of playing a free ball as the ball 'on'.

The MISS rule does not apply if either player requires a snooker either before the shot or as a result of the shot.

This rule is presently being looked at by the IBSF and may be changed in the near future, but I haven't seen any announcement yet although it was discussed at their AGM in India in November.

Terry

[andy carson]

and also the miss rule is not applicable in the amatuer game, it only applies to the professionals

[snookerfan91]

and also the miss rule is not applicable in the amatuer game, it only applies to the professionals

Since when?

[Terry Davidson]

Sorry Andy, you have that WRONG, WRONG, and WRONG again. The MISS rule is part of the IBSF and WPBSA rules and the IBSF is the work amateur governing body and the official keeper of the rules.

If you ever go to play in any official amateur tournament (say like the All-England or the World Amateur) the MISS rule will be in effect and at that level basically you must hit all snookers, just like the pros are tasked with.

In our ranking tournaments here in Canada the MISS rule is in effect and at my level I MUST hit every snooker or keep trying until I do, even if I give away 50 points!

However, the IBSF discussed changes to the MISS rule at their AGM in India in November and we might see some sort of announcement soon (but who knows?). I believe the new rule will be along the lines of no more than 3 misses can be called and then the non-striker gets cueball in hand from the 'D', or something like that.

Terry

[andy carson]

Sorry Andy, you have that WRONG, WRONG, and WRONG again. The MISS rule is part of the IBSF and WPBSA rules and the IBSF is the work amateur governing body and the official keeper of the rules.

If you ever go to play in any official amateur tournament (say like the All-England or the World Amateur) the MISS rule will be in effect and at that level basically you must hit all snookers, just like the pros are tasked with.

In our ranking tournaments here in Canada the MISS rule is in effect and at my level I MUST hit every snooker or keep trying until I do, even if I give away 50 points!

However, the IBSF discussed changes to the MISS rule at their AGM in India in November and we might see some sort of announcement soon (but who knows?). I believe the new rule will be along the lines of no more than 3 misses can be called and then the non-striker gets cueball in hand from the 'D', or something like that.

Terry

terry, over here in our leagues and playing "just for fun" the miss rule is not applicable...

yes it is there if you are playing in an officially sanctioned comeptition but for general play and league matches in the UK it is not enforced...

[fredkite]

terry, over here in our leagues and playing "just for fun" the miss rule is not applicable...

yes it is there if you are playing in an officially sanctioned comeptition but for general play and league matches in the UK it is not enforced...

We play in the same league and i've been called for a miss on a few occasions, not for missing a snooker but when trying to play a thin snick off the object ball and missing.

[andy carson]

We play in the same league and i've been called for a miss on a few occasions, not for missing a snooker but when trying to play a thin snick off the object ball and missing.

ive never seen the miss rule called in the bury & district open league!!!!

[AndrewB]

The MISS rule does not apply if either player requires a snooker either before the shot or as a result of the shot.

Terry

I thought we decided in a discussion here that a shot is always called a miss if the player deliberately makes no attempt to hit the ball on?

[RGCirencester]

In practice the miss rule is not generally applied unless you have a referee present. (don't know about other countries or top amateur level it would depend on the organisation). Players cannot be expected to remember the position of all of the balls on the table whilst they are participating in a match. Add to this the fact that a quarter inch one way or another can make a situation very different, so you must be accurate if you are going to apply the rule.

Especially at the level that Monkey currently plays I would definitely not apply the miss rule at all. The options after the foul would be to play the shot yourself (possible free ball if snookered after a foul) or to let your oponent play from the position that the balls land. The reason for this being that the definition of a miss depends on the players ability, and he could not be reasonably expected to be able to hit every snooker.

If you are playing with friends or just for fun I would not worry about the miss rule at all (This is assuming your opponent is playing fair you cannot just tap the white to a cushion without making any attempt at the escape).

[APK]

It saddens me to hear such talk.
The Miss Rule was rewritten for the September 1995 ruebook so that it could be incorporated by ALL players.
Whilst I agree that players make the worst referees, I do expect the platers to know and understand the Rules.
Local leagues may well wish to clarify the Miss Rule to make it easier to enforce but, in my opinion, the is not a single player who cannot play within the Miss Rule as it is currently worded.
The important thing to remember about this rule is that it states that a player must endeavour to the best of his ability to hit a ball 'on'.
If cannot hit a Barn Door at 5 paces with a blunderbuss, then you are not expected to. The judgement comes with the players ability to hit a ball 'on' from the snooker left. Most players know how good they are and what they should be able to hit.
In any case, the Rule requuires the plyaer to play the shot with sufficient pace to hit the ball 'on'.
If we do not play to the Rules of the game, what is next?
Shall we bother about one foot on the floor?
How about a jump shot?
A push shot?

One thing leads to another.
I would encourage all players to at least keep the spirit of the Rule alive.

Right, whinge over.
Enjoy the game to the best of your ability.

[RGCirencester]

It saddens me to hear such talk.
The Miss Rule was rewritten for the September 1995 ruebook so that it could be incorporated by ALL players.
Whilst I agree that players make the worst referees, I do expect the platers to know and understand the Rules.
Local leagues may well wish to clarify the Miss Rule to make it easier to enforce but, in my opinion, the is not a single player who cannot play within the Miss Rule as it is currently worded.
The important thing to remember about this rule is that it states that a player must endeavour to the best of his ability to hit a ball 'on'.
If cannot hit a Barn Door at 5 paces with a blunderbuss, then you are not expected to. The judgement comes with the players ability to hit a ball 'on' from the snooker left. Most players know how good they are and what they should be able to hit.
In any case, the Rule requuires the plyaer to play the shot with sufficient pace to hit the ball 'on'.
If we do not play to the Rules of the game, what is next?
Shall we bother about one foot on the floor?
How about a jump shot?
A push shot?

One thing leads to another.
I would encourage all players to at least keep the spirit of the Rule alive.

Right, whinge over.
Enjoy the game to the best of your ability.

I agree the rule is worded so that it can be applied by everyone of all levels but it is one of the more difficult rules to enforce, especially if more than just the white is moved during the shot. If a referee isn't present it might be impossible to replace the balls where they were. The balls must be replaced exactly or in fact you are going against the spirit of the rule and could make it a more or less difficult escape.
In casual games, as long as the spirit of the rule is enforced and the opponent doesn't just tap the white safe i would not apply the miss rule.
Though editing the rule in a league does seem a fairly pointless exercise i agree. Either apply the actual rule or don't apply it at all.

[brendan147]

Great Post

I agree the rule is worded so that it can be applied by everyone of all levels but it is one of the more difficult rules to enforce, especially if more than just the white is moved during the shot. If a referee isn't present it might be impossible to replace the balls where they were. The balls must be replaced exactly or in fact you are going against the spirit of the rule and could make it a more or less difficult escape.
In casual games, as long as the spirit of the rule is enforced and the opponent doesn't just tap the white safe i would not apply the miss rule.
Though editing the rule in a league does seem a fairly pointless exercise i agree. Either apply the actual rule or don't apply it at all.

Couldn't agree more with you...mate. We need a very good referee to apply such a rule. There is no way we can replace the balls as exactly where they were by ourselves while we are in the match. Hopefully the up coming tournament of a local club in my place here will apply this rule anyway....

[DawRef]

In the two local leagues I occasionally referee in, the Foul and Miss (to give it its correct name) is only applied if you can see any part of a ball that is or could be on. That was agreed at the league AGM's.
However at County level and above, the full F & M rule is implemented.

[Souwester]

All leagues should be encouraged to understand and apply the Foul and a Miss rule. The EASB has seen instances of young junior players turning up to its events and getting mightily upset because the rules are fully applied as laid down in the rule book, and they find they are called for F&M when they don't expect to be.