Rules when you are snookered?

[magicman]

All leagues should be encouraged to understand and apply the Foul and a Miss rule

I've felt all along that this is what should have been happening from the initial introduction of the F&M. Players would learn how to escape from snookers better if the rule was implemented fully, and so really we are allowing players to stagnate rather than learn by pussy footing around them like they're children.

In the two local leagues I occasionally referee in, the Foul and Miss (to give it its correct name) is only applied if you can see any part of a ball that is or could be on. That was agreed at the league AGM's.
However at County level and above, the full F & M rule is implemented.

This, however, echoes my experience of the F&M rule with the additional caveat that it also applied to town matches aswell as county events. There have been leagues that I've played in where there is no miss rule at all. The idea that any player can't hit the entire pack of reds when snookered is plainly ridiculous and if their wife/mums/kids life depended on it I'm pretty damn sure that 95% would hit a red when snookered.

[lfostersbrother]

We play in the same league and i've been called for a miss on a few occasions, not for missing a snooker but when trying to play a thin snick off the object ball and missing.

same with me. i joined a snooker league 2 years ago and the first game we played, our whole team were non the wiser that the cue ball couldn't be put back and they used this against us - i gave away 16 pts and another on my team lost points - they won the game 5 - 2 !!!! its ok though we did it to them on our away visit!!!! well we got the lost points back.

[147Alexandra]

As I understand the rule after a miss, all balls need not be returned to their original positions.

"(f) After a miss and a request by the next player to replace the cue-ball, any object balls disturbed will remain where they are unless the referee considers the offending player would or could gain an advantage. In the latter case, any or all disturbed balls may be replaced to the referee’s satisfaction and in either case, colours incorrectly off the table will be spotted or replaced as appropriate."

[Souwester]

As I understand the rule after a miss, all balls need not be returned to their original positions.

"(f) After a miss and a request by the next player to replace the cue-ball, any object balls disturbed will remain where they are unless the referee considers the offending player would or could gain an advantage. In the latter case, any or all disturbed balls may be replaced to the referee’s satisfaction and in either case, colours incorrectly off the table will be spotted or replaced as appropriate."

That is indeed correct, but it is best practice with qualified referees that *all* balls be replaced as best they can. Certainly in professional matches you will always see all balls being replaced.

If you don't replace all balls, then you're opening yourself up to arguments about whether the offending player 'would or could gain an advantage'.