Question about nominated color

[ChatLag]

Might be that this seems a stupid question to all you knowledgable guys out there but I had a discussion with my mater about it and he confused me a bit...

1. case

I pot a red an nominate i.e. yellow. I hit yellow first with the white and the yellow hits i.e. black and sinks it.

Is this a foul or not?


2. case

I pot a red, nominate yellow, hit yellow first, after that white hits blacks and sinks it.

Is this a foul?


Many thanks in advance for enlighten me...

[April madness]

If I understand it correctly, it is a foul (7 points) in both cases.

edit: Let's wait for the forum referees to quote the rules

[Acrowot]

Of course it is a foul in both cases and 7 points to your opponent. But I think that you really know this!
:snooker:

[Acrowot]

Will have to come and give you a game next time I am over there ChatLag.
:snooker:

[andy carson]

Might be that this seems a stupid question to all you knowledgable guys out there but I had a discussion with my mater about it and he confused me a bit...

1. case

I pot a red an nominate i.e. yellow. I hit yellow first with the white and the yellow hits i.e. black and sinks it.

Is this a foul or not?


2. case

I pot a red, nominate yellow, hit yellow first, after that white hits blacks and sinks it.

Is this a foul?


Many thanks in advance for enlighten me...

in snooker its a definite foul both times

but i think there are some pool rules where you can perform cannons and pot other balls (not just 9 ball)

[lk8]

in any stroke where a ball that is not the ball-on are caused to enter a pocket, it is always a foul.... the penalty is ...

(b) value of the ball on or ball concerned, whichever is higher, by
(iii) causing a ball not on to enter a pocket,

[ChatLag]

When I read the German version of the rules there is a difference between "ball on" and "ball nominated".

After potting a red all colors are "on" and each of them is allowed to be potted.
The "nominated" ball is just the color you define as the ball touched first.

But it is not clearly understandable if it is a foul to touch the nominated ball first but to pot another ball "on".

Or maybe I am just too blind to see or too dumb to understand...

[lk8]

I don't know where it mentions that "after potting a red all colors are "on"" (I can't read German, but can't find this in the english rules)

there may be still some confusion in the rules of the wording regarding ball-on and ball-nominated..

but right this moment, the current rules states....

3. Mode of Play

...

(e) For the first stroke of each turn, until all Reds are off the table, Red or a free ball nominated as a Red is the ball on, and the value or each Red and any free ball nominated as a Red, potted in the same stroke, is scored.
(f) (i) If a Red, or a free ball nominated as a Red, is potted, the same player plays the next stroke and the next ball on is a colour of the striker’s choice which, if potted, is scored and the colour is then spotted.

...

[April madness]

When I read the German version of the rules there is a difference between "ball on" and "ball nominated".

After potting a red all colors are "on" and each of them is allowed to be potted.
The "nominated" ball is just the color you define as the ball touched first.

But it is not clearly understandable if it is a foul to touch the nominated ball first but to pot another ball "on".

Or maybe I am just too blind to see or too dumb to understand...

I think once you have nominated the colour, that and only that colour is your ball on. Therefore if another colour is pocketed, even if you hit your nominated colour first, is a foul.

[Kyra]

When I read the German version of the rules there is a difference between "ball on" and "ball nominated".

After potting a red all colors are "on" and each of them is allowed to be potted.
The "nominated" ball is just the color you define as the ball touched first.

But it is not clearly understandable if it is a foul to touch the nominated ball first but to pot another ball "on".

Or maybe I am just too blind to see or too dumb to understand...

As much as I recall the rules say that, the colours are "possible balls-on". Meaning that you can choose one of them. If you made your choice, you "nominated" this ball by cueing or naming the colour which makes it the only Ball-on to say so. After that only this ball can be potted without committing a foul.

[csmarkus]

Section 3 / Rule 3 / (f) (i): If a Red, or a free ball nominated as a Red, is potted, the same player plays the next stroke and the next ball on is a colour of the striker’s choice which, if potted, is scored and the colour is then spotted.

As said above and as suggested by the quoted rule, only one ball is "on". Rule 14 (the miss rule) uses the expression "any ball that is or could be on", which also justifies this.

[snookerfan91]

The ball you nominate is the ball you have to pot, otherwise it's a foul.

[DawRef]

The ball you nominate is the ball you have to pot, otherwise it's a foul.

No. As long as you strike the nominated ball with the first impact of the cue-ball, it is not a foul.

It is a foul if after striking the nominated ball:

(i) the cue-ball then goes into a pocket; or,
(ii) the cue-ball strikes another ball and causes that ball to enter a pocket; or
(iii)the nominated ball strikes another ball and causes that ball to enter a pocket (which I think was the original question).

[snookerfan91]

No. As long as you strike the nominated ball with the first impact of the cue-ball, it is not a foul.

It is a foul if after striking the nominated ball:

(i) the cue-ball then goes into a pocket; or,
(ii) the cue-ball strikes another ball and causes that ball to enter a pocket; or
(iii)the nominated ball strikes another ball and causes that ball to enter a pocket (which I think was the original question).

Thanks for clearing it up

[ste bed]

Might be that this seems a stupid question to all you knowledgable guys out there but I had a discussion with my mater about it and he confused me a bit...

1. case

I pot a red an nominate i.e. yellow. I hit yellow first with the white and the yellow hits i.e. black and sinks it.

Is this a foul or not?


2. case

I pot a red, nominate yellow, hit yellow first, after that white hits blacks and sinks it.

Is this a foul?


Many thanks in advance for enlighten me...

not trying to be a arse but chatlag you have nearly 1000 posts on a snooker forum and dont understand the basic rules of snooker? after you pot a red you must hit the nominated colour 1st if you hit any other ball before this its a foul if you pot any other ball than the 1 nominated its a foul.