Laminate or pressed???

[heera2009]

HI GUYS,
I would like to hear from as many as possible, their opinions, or experiences on laminated and pressed tips , and why they stick to a particular 1,
i am sure there are guys out there who have never even tried another type of tip . so come on guys get posting , nothing on tv anyway, and maybe something said here might even help someone make up their mind on a tip ,
As i have started this post , i will go first, here goes,
1) last longer
2) more consistent
3)less mushrooming
4)more power
Lets hear from others too! cheers

[BoBnoGG!n]

OK! so tips ive tried:

blue diamond, elk master, talisman, and pro granite

opinions of;
BD: ive tried using a 10 mil on a 9 and 10 mil tip. the fibres were too loose. however, i did like them back in the day i liked a nreally soft tip. now i like a hard one. ive also tried an 11mil trimmed down, to get extra softness.

Elk: some r good, not all. lots of them r a bit like the BD, but wen i find a good elk, nice firm one, that doesnt seem to shred and rip apart, it hits really well. finding it is a problem.

talisman: felt good, although, didnt seem to hold chalk well. didnt want to rough the tip or scuff it too much as it could lead to delamination. never happened tho. otherwise, felt really good.

Pro granite: Feels good, hits well, holds chalk and shape well. nice and firm. every tip in the case felt the same. so consistency was there. very pleased: my current choice in tip.

[heera2009]

I have not tried the pro granite yet, how does it feel compared with a talisman?
I would agree that the med, and hard do not chalk well, but the soft chalks very well ,
and holds chalk too. A few of the talismans i used did delaminate , but i would say not happened to me when scuffing, as long as you dont over sand the tip , it should be okay.

[Giggity1984]

I've mainly tried BD, Elk and I'm now using a Moori M.

BD's and Elks were ok, but I found I was changing them far too frequently for my sanity!

So I tried the switch, and after a couple of weeks play with my Moori, I can honestly say that I won't go back to a pressed tip. I may try another laminate, but it won't be for a while as the Moori is very "firm"!

[heera2009]

I've mainly tried BD, Elk and I'm now using a Moori M.

BD's and Elks were ok, but I found I was changing them far too frequently for my sanity!

So I tried the switch, and after a couple of weeks play with my Moori, I can honestly say that I won't go back to a pressed tip. I may try another laminate, but it won't be for a while as the Moori is very "firm"!

any delaminating problems with the moori?
where do you buy them from mate? how much?
do they do them in 10mm.

[cantpotforshíte]

I've used Elks for years without realising there was much choice other than Elks and Blue Diamonds.
And I have become absolutley sick of the variability in Elks. Somebody else on this forum has mentioned that in a box of a hundred, you'd be lucky to get twenty good ones. I've never bought, or had access to, a large box of them so I've had to put up with what I got. And they are so variable in hardness and quality that they ought to be embarrassed.
My biggest problem with them of recent is that once carefully shaped, you'd strike the white ball once upon bedding in, and that side of the tip would become raised up. So after an hour of hacking about on the table to bed it in further, I'd have a tip with a 10 deg angle on the end, with the consistency of a marshmallow on one side, and harder on the other.
So I'd carefully try to level it with some fine sandpaper ... take one shot and the same thing would happen again. I've tried leaving a tip on for weeks before meddling with it, but with the same results.
A cue with an angled tip on it is about as much use as a marzipan doorknob, so I put my first Talisman on last night, and followed everybody's advice on here on how to fit it.
It looks good, shows no signs whatsoever of delaminating, and didn't need hardly any bedding in, holds the chalk well, and plays and feels good.
It was a 11mm Talisman soft tip, cut down to my 9.5mm ferrule.
I'll keep you updated on here if I have any trouble with it.

[heera2009]

I've used Elks for years without realising there was much choice other than Elks and Blue Diamonds.
And I have become absolutley sick of the variability in Elks. Somebody else on this forum has mentioned that in a box of a hundred, you'd be lucky to get twenty good ones. I've never bought, or had access to, a large box of them so I've had to put up with what I got. And they are so variable in hardness and quality that they ought to be embarrassed.
My biggest problem with them of recent is that once carefully shaped, you'd strike the white ball once upon bedding in, and that side of the tip would become raised up. So after an hour of hacking about on the table to bed it in further, I'd have a tip with a 10 deg angle on the end, with the consistency of a marshmallow on one side, and harder on the other.
So I'd carefully try to level it with some fine sandpaper ... take one shot and the same thing would happen again. I've tried leaving a tip on for weeks before meddling with it, but with the same results.
A cue with an angled tip on it is about as much use as a marzipan doorknob, so I put my first Talisman on last night, and followed everybody's advice on here on how to fit it.
It looks good, shows no signs whatsoever of delaminating, and didn't need hardly any bedding in, holds the chalk well, and plays and feels good.
It was a 11mm Talisman soft tip, cut down to my 9.5mm ferrule.
I'll keep you updated on here if I have any trouble with it.

excellent choice for a tip, you wont go far wrong with that mate.
any comments from anyone on mikes laminated tips?

[Giggity1984]

any delaminating problems with the moori?
where do you buy them from mate? how much?
do they do them in 10mm.

None whatsoever so far. I wasn't particularly gentle or careful with how I cut it/sanded it down to size on installation, it can take a fair bit of abuse evidently!

There are a couple of websites to look at, I'll dig out the one where I got it from in a mo. It is fairly expensive, I paid £10+ for mine. It came in 14mm, but trimmed to size quite easily.(Use a sharp knife!)

No looking back for me mate, when I do switch, it'll be another laminate fo' shnizzle.

[heera2009]

None whatsoever so far. I wasn't particularly gentle or careful with how I cut it/sanded it down to size on installation, it can take a fair bit of abuse evidently!

There are a couple of websites to look at, I'll dig out the one where I got it from in a mo. It is fairly expensive, I paid £10+ for mine. It came in 14mm, but trimmed to size quite easily.(Use a sharp knife!)

No looking back for me mate, when I do switch, it'll be another laminate fo' shnizzle.

I also had a couple of 14mm kamui tips recently, asmy ferrel is a 10mm ,
so i carefully cut the tip into 2 making cheap as a talisman, and still had enough leather on both peices to fit and shape as i wanted them,
just wondering if you did the same ?
i am sure its quite possible considering its a 14mm .

[Giggity1984]

I also had a couple of 14mm kamui tips recently, asmy ferrel is a 10mm ,
so i carefully cut the tip into 2 making cheap as a talisman, and still had enough leather on both peices to fit and shape as i wanted them,
just wondering if you did the same ?
i am sure its quite possible considering its a 14mm .

Yeah I'm sure it is possible, It was certainly tall enough for that! But in terms of it's durability, it makes no difference to me if you leave it as one or if you split it in two, so I left it. As I had no gauge for tip height, I decided it wouldn't be detrimental to my game to have a tall tip.

Of course that is presuming that the whole tip will wear at the same rate that the two halves would. If you see what I mean?! If say, 1 tip lasted 6 months, then I didn't see the point in splitting it down into two tips that would last 3 months each.

[heera2009]

it was exactly another reason why i chopped it into 2 , the height issue, as long as it does not bother you its great, unfortuantly i cant stop myself from scuffing tips every time i play, so if the tip is slimmer i try just to place the sandpaper on the tip and 1 scuffing motion is enough , on the other hand if it was a tall tip it would have the opposite treatment, anyway thats just me , nothing wrong with a tall tip , hope you get your moneys worth from it.

[ste bed]

i think your skill level also as a lot to do with what tip you like. i have fitted a lot of talismans/red omins and pro granite tips to mates cues in the club and only a few of them seem to like them and they are all the good players. now the less than average players in the club dont like them because they misscue alot when playing side/screw. i think you have to have a very good cue action to use very hard tips my personal fravorites are wooldridge super tips or the red omins.

[heera2009]

i think your skill level also as a lot to do with what tip you like. i have fitted a lot of talismans/red omins and pro granite tips to mates cues in the club and only a few of them seem to like them and they are all the good players. now the less than average players in the club dont like them because they misscue alot when playing side/screw. i think you have to have a very good cue action to use very hard tips my personal fravorites are wooldridge super tips or the red omins.

A very good point ste bed, which has been missed on this topic, and i agree , a certain level of play is needed, any newbies to the game or guys just changed to laminates post your comments , and dont forget to vote in the poll

[ADR147]

the trick with moori tips is to knock them in a bit during the fitting.

[heera2009]

the trick with moori tips is to knock them in a bit during the fitting.

i see you dont sell mooris ADR