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I played yesterday and played a safe behind the pink ball, resulting in a touching ball on the pink, and that my opponent was snookered. The big surprise for me was that he actually was happy and wanted just to play a new snooker on me, because it was a touching ball situation. I convinced him that when the ball on is red, it doesn´t matter if there is a touching ball on a ball that is not ball on. He still has to hit a red. Am I right?
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yes you are right. he has to hit the red.:snooker:Blown away -
if he layed a snooker on you,that would result in a free ball to you.in fact it would be a foul not a snooker he played.Comment
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Although the cue ball was touching the pink ball, it wasn't a 'touching ball'! A touching ball is defined as when the cue ball comes to rest touching a ball which is or could be 'on'... ie in this case a red.
A referee would not have declared 'touching ball' in this situation. In fact he'd have said nothing, unless asked by the incoming striker if they were touching, to which the answer should be 'yes', not 'touching ball'.
8. Touching Ball
(a) If the cue-ball comes to rest touching another ball or balls that are, or could be, on, the referee shall state TOUCHING BALL and indicate which ball or balls on the cue-ball is touching.
(b) When a touching ball has been called, the striker must play the cue-ball away from that ball without moving it or it is a push stroke.
(c) Providing the striker does not cause the object ball to move, there shall be no penalty if:
(i) the ball is on,
(ii) the ball could be on and the striker declares he is on it, or
(ii) the ball could be on and the striker declares, and first hits, another ball that could be on.
(d) If the cue-ball comes to rest touching or nearly touching a ball that is not on, the referee, if asked whether it is touching, will answer YES or NO. The striker must play away without disturbing it as above but must first hit a ball that is on.
(e) When the cue-ball is touching both a ball on and a ball not on, the referee shall only indicate the ball on as touching. If the striker should ask the referee whether the cue-ball is also touching the ball not on, he is entitled to be told.
(f) If the referee is satisfied that any movement of a touching ball at the moment of striking was not caused by the striker, he will not call a foul.
(g) If a stationary object ball, not touching the cue-ball when examined by the referee, is later seen to be in contact with the cue-ball before a stroke has been made, the balls shall be repositioned by the referee to his satisfaction.Comment
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My friend and I keep having the same debate as this situation has happened a few times when we have played. So if someone knows the answer that would be great!!
What will happen if your ball is touching a yellow after potting a red for example but you have a clear shot on the black? Are you allowed to go for the black?
I said to him "of course you are allowed" but he said to me, isn't the reason why you are allowed to push away from a touching ball in the first place because technically the ball you are touching is the ball you are on and after potting a red you are on for colour. So in this instance, after potting a red and the cue ball has landed touching on the yellow... are you forced to nominate the yellow and HAVE to play away since you technically "touching".
I'm sorry if what i wrote is a bit confusing, but my friend has managed to confuse me too... i'm pretty sure you are allowed to go for the black, but i could be wrong. Does anyone have the answer?...Comment
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Yes its ok to pot the black. (as long as the yellow doesn't move)
(sure someone will quote a rule for you soon)Comment
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Yes your allowed to go for the black in the same way that it isn't an automatic foul if you are touching a colour but on a red. If you nominate the yellow, then you may play away and you are deemed to have hit he yellow. If you nominate black then you must hit the black and the yellow must not move, but assuming the yellow does not move you can play for choice of colour as normal.Originally Posted by Nigel1982 View Postsigpic A Truly Beakerific Long Pot Sir!Comment
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Wow, thanks for the swift response!! I will let him know next time we play.
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If you are faced with the cue ball touching another ball, whether it be after your opponent's last shot, or after potting a red or colour yourself, you *MUST* play away, and the other ball should not move (unless, for example, it falls back onto its spot, after the cue ball moves away from it, whereby it is deemed to be down to the table and not the fault of the striker that the ball moved).
If ball on is red, and cue ball is touching a red, then provided you play away, it doesn't matter what you don with the cue ball: you needn't hit another ball at all; you can hit another red and pot it; or you can first hit a colour, provided no other foul is committed, of course.
If ball on is red and the cue ball is touching a colour, then you must play away and the cue ball must first hit a red to be a fair shot.
If ball on is a colour, and the cue ball is touching a red, then you must play away and the cue ball must first hit a colour (and it is probably wise to declare which colour you're playing for).
If ball on is a colour and the cue ball is touching a colour, you still have the choice as to which colour you go for. If you're touching the yellow, if you nominate yellow, you can simply play away without touching another ball, or you can first hit a red or another colour - the fact that you declared yellow means you are deemed to have touched that first, so it doesn't matter what ball the cue ball hits next. If you're touching the yellow and nominate blue, then as you play away from the yellow the first contact must then be with the blue, else it is a foul.Last edited by Souwester; 18 March 2010, 02:43 PM.Comment
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Thank you all for explaining this rule. Somehow the idea that you can safely play away from a touching ball that is on and still hit any other ball on accident or on purpose is a play without penalty had escaped me.Comment
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I understand you must play away from a touching ball. My question has to do with when the cue ball is 1/16" or 1/4" away from the object ball. How thin are you supposed to hit the object ball without it being a "push"(if I'm correct in saying "push")?Originally Posted by Souwester View Post
I see people trying to pot the object ball into a pocket 6 feet away or more and hitting a good portion of the object ball. What are your thoughts on this?
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18. Push Stroke
A push stroke is made when the tip of the cue remains in contact with the cue-ball
(a) after the cue-ball has commenced its forward motion, or
(b) as the cue-ball makes contact with an object ball except, where the cue-ball and an object ball are almost touching, it shall not be deemed a push stroke if the cue-ball hits a very fine edge of the object ball.
What constitutes a very fine edge is subjective, and down to the referees opinion.Comment
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