Why did Ronnie O Sullivan deliberately lose his match in CHina open?

[ste bed]

maybe thats the point if he had missed the brown/blue or pink then questions wouldnt have been raised. could it be that was his plan all along miss the black and cause a bit of controversy.

[madman]

Or perhaps the Chinese Mafia had Ronnie to lose 4-5 for a few hundred grand, and Ronnie was so P_SS-D OFF that he had no choice, and he was just winding em up all the way!!!!!!!!

[noel]

What makes no sense is this:... I'm just asking for a tad of common sense

Huh?
This is why Ronnie failed the black ball test.









=o)

Noel

[JayDee]

I'm just asking for a tad of common sense regarding that shot and its circumstances.

You can't apply common sense towards the madness that is Ronnies brain. Sure, if he wanted to throw the match consciously he would of done so in a more non obvious way, like the Brown/Blue/Pink.

But I think more accurate way of describing the Black is more a gamble, with say 50% of him wanting it to go in because it's still a sport, the other 50% of him hoping it doesn't because he's how he is. So he played a slow roll, where fate would decide his future on this, if the nap pulls a little or slows up to the pocket - he would know certainly it would be game over. But there was a chance it might trickle in.

That gamble wouldn't work on the Brown/Blue/Pink as much.

[ore]

What makes no sense is this: suppose you want to lose and be out and back home , OK?... your long game's been dire for 2-3 seasons with success rates around 25% in most matches; you face a long brown... and yet you pot it, you then pot the blue, gain position on the pink, pot it, gain perfect position on the black and miss it deliberately in such a blatant way it will necessarily raise questions and maybe get you in trouble. Would you do that? Even the most stupid person wouldn't, it just makes no sense.

I'm just asking for a tad of common sense regarding that shot and its circumstances.

Monique but why do you expect it to be logical?
Blatant sounds much more like Ronnie, doesn't it?
And doesn't sound like Ronnie to be thinking in advance what kind of reaction his actions are going to raise.

Illogical, blatant, careless about outcome. Deliberate.

[ore]

But I think more accurate way of describing the Black is more a gamble, with say 50% of him wanting it to go in because it's still a sport, the other 50% of him hoping it doesn't because he's how he is. So he played a slow roll, where fate would decide his future on this, if the nap pulls a little or slows up to the pocket - he would know certainly it would be game over. But there was a chance it might trickle in.

Yeah, deliberate gambling.

The thread is answered.

[Black_cat]

This thing isn't as silly as it sounds, I've never seen Ronnie play with a huge watch on his wrist, you only see Hendry with an expensive kettle on. There's definitely something wrong here, this looks well crooked to me and had it happened in a UK tournament maybe there'd be some kind of inquest.

Ronnie has/had a commercial agreement with Vasto, a company that among others makes watches. Look for the commercials on Youtube. So that's obvious, he's still under contract with them, for otherwise I can't think of a possible reason to wear that horrifically chavtastic watch on his wrist, ew!

[montoya10]

But I think more accurate way of describing the Black is more a gamble, with say 50% of him wanting it to go in because it's still a sport, the other 50% of him hoping it doesn't because he's how he is. So he played a slow roll, where fate would decide his future on this, if the nap pulls a little or slows up to the pocket - he would know certainly it would be game over. But there was a chance it might trickle in.

Would he play for the win if the black dropped in, then? I think he would, looking from a perspective of fate. But still, none of these ideas make any sense to me. I still can't understand why he is unable to enjoy his game, whereas the whole world of snooker fans appreciate it.

He is a man, with unreal level of talent, but bitterly tested in the world by his differently working brain. Perhaps, he is the one that we all should be like, as we're all doing it wrong and can't see the consequences of our acts.

So, instead of calling it Ronnie and his thoughts abnormal, I'm calling everybody on the world's ideas illogical and looking to the world from the point of view he is. Hopefully

[beechy1212]

What if he did try and miss the Brown and Blue on purpose but ended up potting them? It's only the same as lining up a pot for the centre of the pocket and hitting the jaw, except this time, the role was reversed. aim for the jaw but pot it.

[wildJONESEYE]

Illegal sport betting in China is huge and there is no doubt it has influenced sporting events in China. Even the chief of the Chinese FA was arrested for receiving bribes for match fixing.

Ronnie does what ronnie wants to do ....if someone aproached him he would tell them to take a running jump ...i can guarantee you anything if someone wants ronnie to throw a match he would try his balls off to sock it to them.

[gazza147]

Lets just Say Ronnie has alot of Support & Sponsors There!...Wink Wink!

[ore]

That's from one betting forum:

according to the chinese media sina, during the mid session interval (2:2 on the scoreline), ronnie asked Anda Zhang abt the fight information and told him he'd on the next flight home with him. I believe anda trained in ronnie's club and travelled to china on the same flight in the first place.

SINA's usually reliable but sometimes tells ********. From the betting point of view, i cannot see there's any dodge betting involved as I was betting on the match and the market reacted as it should be (before that thing happens of course), maybe he just misses home "

Could anyone reading Chinese comment?

[Wim]

What makes no sense is this: suppose you want to lose and be out and back home , OK?... your long game's been dire for 2-3 seasons with success rates around 25% in most matches; you face a long brown... and yet you pot it, you then pot the blue, gain position on the pink, pot it, gain perfect position on the black and miss it deliberately in such a blatant way it will necessarily raise questions and maybe get you in trouble. Would you do that? Even the most stupid person wouldn't, it just makes no sense.
Again, I'm not challenging the fact that Ronnie didn't play as he should have to try and win the match; he didn't and he deserves to be criticised for that certainly. I'm just asking for a tad of common sense regarding that shot and its circumstances.

you just try to convince yourself don't you ?

[MackenzieRules]

What makes no sense is this: suppose you want to lose and be out and back home , OK?... your long game's been dire for 2-3 seasons with success rates around 25% in most matches; you face a long brown... and yet you pot it, you then pot the blue, gain position on the pink, pot it, gain perfect position on the black and miss it deliberately in such a blatant way it will necessarily raise questions and maybe get you in trouble. Would you do that? Even the most stupid person wouldn't, it just makes no sense.
Again, I'm not challenging the fact that Ronnie didn't play as he should have to try and win the match; he didn't and he deserves to be criticised for that certainly. I'm just asking for a tad of common sense regarding that shot and its circumstances.

What rubbish! Monique you are way off base. Ronnie had his ticket bought to return on Friday.

[noel]

Ronnie had his ticket bought to return on Friday.

Proof?



=o)

Noel