Why did Ronnie O Sullivan deliberately lose his match in CHina open?

[noel]

I GOT IT! I WOKE UP WITH THE ANSWER!
Ronnie, that joker, thought yesterday was TODAY!



L0L.


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Noel

[The Statman]

I haven't seen any of the match on television/internet, so am not going to comment on it – but reading this thread and elsewhere it does sound like a bizarre situation.

However, one thing I don't understand is why he went to China if he didn't want to go. If he had contractual obligations etc. then obviously that's the reason. But having spent 12 hours flying halfway round the world to turn up, it seems a bit illogical, whatever your mental state, to then anxiously aim for the next flight home. Why not play, see how far you get, and fly home as soon as your tournament's over.

For this reason, I would find it hard to self-justify deliberately losing if I were him.

I now look forward to watching some coverage over the next few days and coming to a firm opinion myself.

[checkSide]

Ronnie missed that black on purpose. It is plainly evident to anyone that actually plays snooker.

1. No one plays a drag shot on a straight black.
Everyone knows you should "punch" it in, or play a firmer shot to eradicate error. It simply makes the pot less miss-able.

If you don't agree with this, you don't play snooker.

2. It is 9,999 out of 10,000 shot for Ronnie O' Sullivan.
The chances of him missing that shot are less than 0.01%. That's right, THE STATISTICAL CHANCE OF HIM MISSING THAT SHOT IS VIRTUALLY ZERO.

The people that are arguing he "missed" the shot are the same people that praise Ronnie for having the "Rolls Royce" of cue actions, and being "the greatest player ever". yet he can't pot a straight black??

STOP BEING STUPID.

It was obvious Ronnie did not want to be there all match. He simply pushed the black onto the jaws so he could home.

[Monique]

Ronnie missed that black on purpose. It is plainly evident to anyone that actually plays snooker.

1. No one plays a drag shot on a straight black.
Everyone knows you should "punch" it in, or play a firmer shot to eradicate error. It simply makes the pot less miss-able.

If you don't agree with this, you don't play snooker.

2. It is 9,999 out of 10,000 shot for Ronnie O' Sullivan.
The chances of him missing that shot are less than 0.01%. That's right, THE STATISTICAL CHANCE OF HIM MISSING THAT SHOT IS VIRTUALLY ZERO.

The people that are arguing he "missed" the shot are the same people that praise Ronnie for having the "Rolls Royce" of cue actions, and being "the greatest player ever". yet he can't pot a straight black??

STOP BEING STUPID.

It was obvious Ronnie did not want to be there all match. He simply pushed the black onto the jaws so he could home.

Stop being stupid yourself. If he wanted to be out of the tournament he could have missed the long brown, he could have lost position on any of the blue, pink or black and he would be out without a shocking miss that would automatically trigger questions and debate.

Ronnie did play reckless, without any regard for safety. He made a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes during the whole match. You can blame him for not playing "properly", for not respecting his opponent enough, yes, and you would have a point. But that particular miss wasn't deliberate. It was a careless, mistimed, badly executed shot but not a deliberate miss.

[ste bed]

reading through this thead makes me laugh anyone who can seriously say or think he didnt miss that black on purpose needs there heads checking. its crystal clear want he did you all just need to own up and admit it to yourselfs and stop defending him. the guys a total tool.

[mattyshinobi22]

reading through this thead makes me laugh anyone who can seriously say or think he didnt miss that black on purpose needs there heads checking. its crystal clear want he did you all just need to own up and admit it to yourselfs and stop defending him. the guys a total tool.

totally agree, but the ronnie hardened supporters out there cannot accept it

but deep down they know this is the stuff he does

[checkSide]

Stop being stupid yourself. If he wanted to be out of the tournament he could have missed the long brown, he could have lost position on any of the blue, pink or black and he would be out without a shocking miss that would automatically trigger questions and debate.

Ronnie O'Sullivan is not intelligent enough to plan and execute a suspicious-less plan to throw the match mid frame. He simply potted the balls on autopilot, then thought, "i've had enough", subsequently missing the black.

Everyone who plays snooker knows exactly what happened. The only exception being those in complete RO'S denial, deluded by their misplaced groupie love.

Which brings me on to my second point. You are obviously and intelligent lady, but no one, including myself, takes your views on RO'S seriously. You are totally unable to view anything regarding Ronnie in an objective manner.

Asking your opinion on anything negatively relating to RO'S is like asking for Bin Laden's view on American politics.... a complete waste of time.

[MackenzieRules]

[QUOTE=Monique;480522]Stop being stupid yourself. If he wanted to be out of the tournament he could have missed the long brown, he could have lost position on any of the blue, pink or black and he would be out without a shocking miss that would automatically trigger questions and debate.

Ronnie did play reckless, without any regard for safety. He made a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes during the whole match. You can blame him for not playing "properly", for not respecting his opponent enough, yes, and you would have a point. But that particular miss wasn't deliberate. It was a careless, mistimed, badly executed shot but not a deliberate miss.[/QUOTE

This is a joke right? If you say you know anything about snooker and say it wasn't deliberate then you must be seriously deluded. You must be a big fan of his trying to protect his name or something?

It was 100% deliberate. There is no question whatsoever. He would never play a shot like that in The Masters or World Championship. It is more obvious that night following day.

[noel]

My last comment on this thread [ maybe ] .

Love him or hate him... for him or against him... intentional or unintentional...
this is the fairest comment I've read. Something I think we all can agree with.

Anyways, he gave us all, once again, something to think about.

Just like everyone else here, because we love snooker and because Ronnie is who he is,
I have been struggling with coming to terms with the Tian match yesterday.
From the moment he walked in looking like he had had far too little sleep on a park bench the
night and day before until he made some of his "Uh Oh here we go again"-type shots I was on the edge
of my seat wondering what the hell would happen this time. Little did I expect what did.
Even though we all know how moody and changeable O'Sullivan can be this performance raised that bar.
I have never seen such a negative reaction to him in a decade or more...
below I've picked out some of the nastier bits from this thread...

• stop defending him. the guys a total tool.
• He is going to damage the sport.
• Should be Punished......
• I think Ronnie is a cock
• He is a bloody disgrace to the game.
• But why is he so disrespectful.
• He is full of S---E all the time
• What do you do with an idiot like him
• I think World Snooker should ban him from playing for a year or two, he is going to damage the sport.
• hes an arsehole of a person.
• his attitude is really too childish and ridiculous for my taste.
• You just CANNOT act like an idiot
• He is an idiot sometimes, that is part of the reason why I absolutely hate him
• Get your head together and at least respect the people who pay your wages
• He does not have any Respect for the Game! Nor his Fans etc.
• a disgrace to snooker
• hope he gets a good kicking from Barry Hearn
• He just has a Screw Lose

My guess is [ and you may think this is really crazy ] that Ronnie would agree with these comments.
Not the throwing the match intentionally part... the self criticism that comes with perfectionism.
The painful withdraw symptom if one isn't "perfect" is a self-loathing that can ruin your day. Or life.
This depression, perhaps bi-polarity, is very common in extremely gifted and creative people.
Whether or not it causes these special "gifts" or vice versa, we do know that those who have
such special talents often have a horrible and deeply personal price to pay.

This is by no means an excuse for Ronnies behaviour, it just causes me to wonder why this gifted
individual who has shown us all some of the most awesome snooker we have ever seen can swing
completely to the extreme and show us some of the the most awful. And in front of 100,000,000 viewers.

His call for help?


VAN GOGH, Vincent The Night Cafe



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Noel

[Monique]

Ronnie O'Sullivan is not intelligent enough to plan and execute a suspicious-less plan to throw the match mid frame. He simply potted the balls on autopilot, then thought, "i've had enough", subsequently missing the black.

Everyone who plays snooker knows exactly what happened. The only exception being those in complete RO'S denial, deluded by their misplaced groupie love.

Which brings me on to my second point. You are obviously and intelligent lady, but no one, including myself, takes your views on RO'S seriously. You are totally unable to view anything regarding Ronnie in an objective manner.

Asking your opinion on anything negatively relating to RO'S is like asking for Bin Laden's view on American politics.... a complete waste of time.

Thank you for the insults. Shows your true colors. I do play snooker and I know the guy and I'm 100% sure he did not miss THAT shot deliberately.
He played poorly, showed no respect to his opponent, disreguarded safety and most probably he was not ready to dig deep to win. All that you can blame on him. But missing that shot that way justs makes no sense.
As for him not being intelligent enough ... he's probably significantly more intelligent than you if you can't see the obvious: that losing this way when nobody would have questioned a missed long ball he could have played three shots earlier just makes no sense.

That's my final comment on this thread.

[MackenzieRules]

Monique

You are making yourself look foolish. Anyone with a brain can see he missed that black intentionally. It seems you care much more than he does.

[Strickimicki]

I wrote this on the other thread but have decided it belongs here! The remark about Gazza, is to what Gazza147 had written on the above mentioned thread!

I saw it live, and I've got to give Gazza my complete support! He deliberately missed the black. Why on this earth would anybody play the shot like that otherwise? He could have punched it in or very nearly blown it in from where he was standing.

The only other excuse is, is that he was playing to the crowd. There had been a lot of oooing & arring going on and maybe he liked it? But this is a professional sport and should be played seriously. If somebody was to come along now and say there had been serious betting going on in favor of the Chinese lad (Tian) then Ronnie would have some serious trouble on his hands!

A six month ban should follow this! Maybe that's a bit harsh but that would teach him and others a lesson!

[madman]

Ronnie can never be banned. If he was banned, a minimum of one tournament at the most would be all. Thats the trouble, Ronnie can hold snooker to ransom, he can do what he wants when he wants, and if you dont like it tough!!!

Its a sorry shame really, because of his brilliance, and his odd behaviour and comments, he is the media's dream. Ban him, and besides the immediate publicity, there would be even less coverage than there is now. Broadcasters, sponsors, media, nobody would bother. Thats the underlying truth. World snooker know it, without Ronnie, it might as well be called bowls, because all the public only see Ronnie as snooker, they dont class all the other players other than jimmy White as exciting.

So until we can get a few more characters in the game to liven it up and attract the publics attention, Ronnie can carry on like this for how long he likes. I wouldn't be surprised sometimes if he is not put up to act like this by whoever, and they can just blame it on his depresssion or whatever, but it then gets the required media attention, whether good or bad.

The trouble is, a lesser profile player acting the way he does, illnes/depression or whatever you want to call it, you know for a fact they would be heavily fined and banned for a very long time. And thats the unfairness. Ronnie knows the score and if he got a year or 2 year ban, he wouldn't give a sh--e, he would absolutely love it having time out, and world snooker know it, thats why they are up sh-t creek without a paddle over him.

[noel]

QUOTE=Strickimicki;480647]I wrote this on the other thread but have decided it belongs here! The remark about Gazza, is to what Gazza147 had written on the above mentioned thread!

I saw it live, and I've got to give Gazza my complete support! He deliberately missed the black. Why on this earth would anybody play the shot like that otherwise? He could have punched it in or very nearly blown it in from where he was standing.

The only other excuse is, is that he was playing to the crowd. There had been a lot of oooing & arring going on and maybe he liked it? But this is a professional sport and should be played seriously. If somebody was to come along now and say there had been serious betting going on in favor of the Chinese lad (Tian) then Ronnie would have some serious trouble on his hands!

A six month ban should follow this! Maybe that's a bit harsh but that would teach him and others a lesson![/QUOTE]


Brian... the real question isn't "whether" but "why".

I think what I suggest in my post is far more plausible than irregular betting or showmanship gone mad.
He may have done it unconsciously.

Are you still in China you Lucky Dog!?



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Noel

[Strickimicki]

Sorry Noel, LIVE on TV! I really didn't want to mislead you or anyone else. My budget with 3 kids gets me back to the British Island only every so often. The thought of going to China is appealing to me, but the Missus would go nuts!

Maybe I should do it anyway

I reread my post, very misleading