Why did Ronnie O Sullivan deliberately lose his match in CHina open?

[beechy1212]

He played poorly, showed no respect to his opponent, disreguarded safety and most probably he was not ready to dig deep to win. All that you can blame on him. But missing that shot that way justs makes no sense.
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If he's not ready to ''dig deep to win'' then surely it's indication that he didn't care and wanted out of there. I've not seen the shot but it does seem odd that he would choose the final black to miss on purpose, rather than a ball a few shots earlier. Saying that, how do we know he didn't try and miss a few other balls on purpose? Snooker is the easiest game to throw but if you are going to delibrately miss, you have to make it look realistic. Us amateurs could miss by 2 or 3 inches and it not look suss, if Ronnie were to miss by a long way, you know there would be something wrong. From what i've read on here, he also played a strange shot on the blue, so maybe he did try missing that.

It's onbvious he doesn't want to be in China. Didn't he controversially pull out 1 year?

It's a shame such a magnificent player gets you talking about the negatives far too often.

[Strickimicki]

Beechy, look at this thread there is a YouTube link around somewhere!

[noel]

Sorry Noel, LIVE on TV! I really didn't want to mislead you or anyone else. My budget with 3 kids gets me back to the British Island only every so often. The thought of going to China is appealing to me, but the Missus would go nuts!

Maybe I should do it anyway

I reread my post, very misleading

L0L.... no problem mate... we both have the same problem that way.

The motivations that make O'Sullivan the way he is, and do the things he does are more complex
than I can understand... too bad there isn't a psychiatrist/psychologist on TSF to offer some informed speculation.
I mean why would Tiger Woods do what he did?
The fallout from banning him or O'Sullivan would be terrible to their respective sports.
But it's for sure we all need an explanation hopefully from the horse's mouth!
And soon.



=o)

Noel

[checkSide]

Thank you for the insults. Shows your true colors. I do play snooker and I know the guy and I'm 100% sure he did not miss THAT shot deliberately.
He played poorly, showed no respect to his opponent, disreguarded safety and most probably he was not ready to dig deep to win. All that you can blame on him. But missing that shot that way justs makes no sense.
As for him not being intelligent enough ... he's probably significantly more intelligent than you if you can't see the obvious: that losing this way when nobody would have questioned a missed long ball he could have played three shots earlier just makes no sense.

That's my final comment on this thread.

Monique. I have not insulted you at all.

We both know as soon as Ronnie acts like an idiot, your initial reaction is denial. Of course you are a massive fan, and a moderator on his forum, but you need to get real. I have told you before I am also a big fan, that is why I get so upset when these things happen.

It wasn't long ago Ronnie threw one of his tantrums after the Masters. There was a thread started where I and numerous others claimed Ronnie's behaviour was disrespectful towards his opponents.
You jumped to his defence claiming he was just "a sore loser", and had been insulting himself, not his opponent.

Now the post I have quoted shows you have completely changed your mind. Now you agree Ronnie has the propensity to show no respect his opponents.

Maybe given enough time after this latest incident, you will change your mind again....

Now let's address the frame, and your view that he could have missed an earlier ball.
Did you see the straight yellow he missed from the D with ball in hand??
How does this fit into your "theory"??
The black was the second time he attempted to throw the frame away in the space of a few shots.

On a further note, have you ever seen any professional play a drag shot, pocket weight, on a final black??
I challenge you to find me another example.
There is good reason people don't play the shot that way, and that is because they want to pot the ball.

IT IS PATENTLY OBVIOUS RONNIE DID NOT WANT TO POT THAT BLACK.

[Strickimicki]

On a further note, have you ever seen any professional play a drag shot, pocket weight, on a final black??
I challenge you to find me another example.
There is good reason people don't play the shot that way, and that is because they want to pot the ball.


I can only agree! nuff said!!!!!

[C-J]

On a further note, have you ever seen any professional play a drag shot, pocket weight, on a final black??
I challenge you to find me another example.
There is good reason people don't play the shot that way, and that is because they want to pot the ball.

IT IS PATENTLY OBVIOUS RONNIE DID NOT WANT TO POT THAT BLACK.

yes,he didn't want to pot the ball.He clearly was in a frame of mind where he didn't want to go on,let alone win.

His gut-instinct probably didn't let him choose the wrong spot on the objectball and cue it well,so he made a sort of mess of it,half hoping he would miss.

[noel]

On a further note, have you ever seen any professional play a drag shot, pocket weight, on a final black??
I challenge you to find me another example.
There is good reason people don't play the shot that way, and that is because they want to pot the ball.


I can only agree! nuff said!!!!!

I think this thread wonders...
Whydid Ronnie O Sullivan deliberately lose his match in CHina open?


Any ideas Brian?



=o)

Noel

[Strickimicki]

Well Noel,

I see like I said in my first post here!

A) He couldn't be bothered, which opens the question why did he turn up in the first place?

B) He was playing the crowd, and cocked up big time!

After looking at the footage again, he does seem rather unamused as he leaves the arena. He Knocks in the missed black with his hand on leaving!


So was he in one of his unstable minds or was he trying to entertain the crowd?


I'll hand over to you Noel, maybe you can give more insight on this!

But, playing to the crowd or not, missing on purpose or not, this way to play is not fit for the professional circuit! Something needs to be done!

I'll hand over to you Noel

[JayDee]

He subconsciously deliberately missed then.
K?

[wildJONESEYE]

if it was or it wasent delibratly it does throw open the allagations against Burnett im not for 1 minute sugesting the Ronnie miss was Crooked but it just goes to show what can be missed at snooker even by the best.

Even Today John Higgins missed easy shots for him.

[hotpot]

But it was,nt just he missed it muck it was the way he played it . You just dont play frame balls like that . If he didnt try to miss he would have got closer anway , he missed it by a country mile

[wildJONESEYE]

But it was,nt just he missed it muck it was the way he played it . You just dont play frame balls like that . If he didnt try to miss he would have got closer anway , he missed it by a country mile

i agree but on the flip side of that would ronnie be this stupid to miss the black in such a blatant way.

he could have missed the pink, he could have stunned the pink in to leave a tricky cut theres so much ronnie could have done with that situation to not be as blatant as that if he was trying to lose.

[ore]

He played poorly, showed no respect to his opponent, disreguarded safety and most probably he was not ready to dig deep to win. All that you can blame on him. But missing that shot that way justs makes no sense.
As for him not being intelligent enough ... he's probably significantly more intelligent than you if you can't see the obvious: that losing this way when nobody would have questioned a missed long ball he could have played three shots earlier just makes no sense.

That's my final comment on this thread.

So even you agree that he did not play to win - disregarding safety, not once but constantly, and playing exhibition match instead, is exactly this.

As someone noted, the shot on the pink before the black, and some shots before were also made with applying strange side, as if it was "all-in" type shots. My impression is that he might have been playing somewhat on 'autopilot', especially in the last frame, lining up for shots too fast, and might have missed the black... subconsiously, in the best case?
But it's just impossible he would not have consciously understood he is throwing the match, be it because of his actions on the last black or numerous times before it.

I took a look at China's stats digged up by HunRon, Ronnie lost 3 frames by 1 single point, and another one after a break of 48. Had 59 or higher breaks in 5 frames, adding 48 break in one more that's sizable breaks in 6 frames - out of total 8.
He played well. Just did not care about the risk of giving the position away to the opponent.
He wasn't outplayed, he gave it away.
If anything, this looks like about the best example on earth of how to lose when scoring well.
So I hope this is what he intended* to show, otherwise it's... just crazy.

The last frame was very fishy, with him getting a chance after chance to still be in the match whatever mess (cue ball in hand & miss?) he did - he wasn't leaving too easy balls after he missed, or even if he left them, Tian was messing up position, etc. So such a shot on the black was finally a sure way to lose the frame after some 10 previous unsuccesful trials to hand over the end of the frame to Tian - this way there were no more balls or position for Tian to mess up, and then he immediately shook hands to insure there's not going to be a miscue by Tian on that final black


*And now if he intended that, all the 'disgrace to the sport' talk makes sense. He does not have an obligation to play in an attractive-to-watch way, to shave, or to act too polite, or even attend press-conferences, or even respect his opponent for that matter, but one obligation he does have is to try his best to win, once he has started the match.



Just add a piece of motivation to win to the mix, and there you have King's win today. (King was scoring pretty well too ).

[checkSide]

I think this thread wonders...
Whydid Ronnie O Sullivan deliberately lose his match in CHina open?

The answer to this question is nothing curious or unfathomable.

1. O'Sullivan openly admits he doesn't like staying away from home. He claims his success in the Premier League is partly due to the fact he can travel to and from the events in one day.

If he doesn't like staying away from home, how do you think he feels 5000 miles away in a foreign country??


2. Having won everything worth winning and now chasing legendary status, he regards the China Open as "Mickey Mouse" and an unnecessary distraction before the Worlds.
His 'obscene gesture' antics a few years ago confirm his feelings towards the China Open.

These two points add up to an irrefutable fact: RONNIE DID NOT WANT TO BE THERE.

This left him in a state of mind non-conducive to competing.

In the words of Clive Everton, "If O'Sullivan is not in the mood, he can play some right old dross."

[hotpot]

i agree but on the flip side of that would ronnie be this stupid to miss the black in such a blatant way.

he could have missed the pink, he could have stunned the pink in to leave a tricky cut theres so much ronnie could have done with that situation to not be as blatant as that if he was trying to lose.

If he,s capable of waking out of a quarter final after five frames , then i,m afraid he,s capable of anything , so unpredictable .