spotting of black ball

[normand]

I have 3 questions, NO 1 black ball is potted with cue ball resting on black spot, brown ball is the only spot open, black ball is spotted on brown ball spot. correct?

NO2 Black ball is potted with cue ball ending on black spot,
all colour balls spots are occupied so black ball is spotted closest to its normal spot between top cushion and cue ball without touching cue ball even though I may be snookered on the last red ball available in the top corner?

No 3 Black ball is potted with cue ball coming to rest on black spot and there is no room between top cushion and black ball spot, does the black ball get spotted on the "pink side" of the black spot without touching the cue ball? Thanks

[The Statman]

Yes, Yes, and Yes.

On your second point, positional play is your responsibility! The fact that the last red is above the black means that you must not cause the cue-ball to come to rest on the black spot, otherwise you can expect to be snookered!

Imagine it was the brown on the black spot. When the black goes on the brown spot, that could cause you to be snookered on the last red if you haven't already taken account of the fact that the black will go there.

It has happened many times where a player has become stuck without position, because he did not realise where the colour is going to go. If the colour you are attempting is not on the spot when you play it, it is always worth checking where it will go.

[gettingbetter]

In regards to no. 3, I thought that it was spotted on the baulk cushion, in line with brown etc. Is this right? I think the original poster is talking about spotting near the pink.

[Terry Davidson]

In case number 3 he was correct. The black ball goes on the other side of the black spot (towards the pink) if all spots are occupied and there's no room between the black spot and the top cushion.

I've never heard of a local rule where the ball is spotted in the middle of the baulk cushion, you must have developed some weird local rules out there. Any more oddities?

Terry

[goldengirl]

You could always do what an EASB ref did once some years ago - and move a red to spot the black!! And then drop the triangle on the lost trying to see if it would spot!!
Mind you having said that - have I not seen a ball marker placed to remove a ball so another ball could be replaced or was I dreaming?

[normand]

thanks Statman

[RCMIGil]

You could always do what an EASB ref did once some years ago - and move a red to spot the black!! And then drop the triangle on the lost trying to see if it would spot!!
Mind you having said that - have I not seen a ball marker placed to remove a ball so another ball could be replaced or was I dreaming?

Yes, to get the pink in amongst the balls when it won't re-spot. If there is room for it among the broken reds where it can be placed, but getting it there requires moving a red out of the way so that the pink can be rolled into position, provided the removed red can be replaced exactly.

[gettingbetter]

In case number 3 he was correct. The black ball goes on the other side of the black spot (towards the pink) if all spots are occupied and there's no room between the black spot and the top cushion.

I've never heard of a local rule where the ball is spotted in the middle of the baulk cushion, you must have developed some weird local rules out there. Any more oddities?

Terry

Not a rule that we have developed in our club, just something I've read on here before.

[DawRef]

Not a rule that we have developed in our club, just something I've read on here before.

Wonder how any other 'wrong bits of information' like this there are on here that people have taken as fact.

[screw-back]

Yes, to get the pink in amongst the balls when it won't re-spot. If there is room for it among the broken reds where it can be placed, but getting it there requires moving a red out of the way so that the pink can be rolled into position, provided the removed red can be replaced exactly.

I'm sure I remember seeing this happen in a World Final a few years ago.

[DawRef]

I remember Len Ganley dropping the pink onto the reds, just as he was about to replace it. Before anyone asks, he just replaced the reds as best he could remember, re-spotted the pink, and the frame carried on.

As to moving reds out of the way, seen it done a few times. Even done it myself whilst reffing a match.