Referee: What happens now?

[potter]

I was at the club tonight, and a couple of guys called me over, to give some advice on a foul, and what to do next. The situation was this:-

4 guys are playing doubles, and team A is 7 points ahead of team B, and at the table. There is only the black left on the table. So if team A pots the black, then they win by 14 points.

What follows is that a team A player, tries to fine cut the black in, and misses the black ball completely. The cue ball travels up and down the table, and rests near the black, setting up an chance for team B to pot it easily.

The player from team A calls me over, claiming that as there is a foul, and the game drawn, then the black should be re-spotted, and the white placed in the D, and the customary flip of the coin.

First of all I explained, that I had never seen or heard of this situation before, but as far as I was concerned, as the black hadn't been potted, or neither had the white gone in-off, then both balls were still "active", and so team B could play the black from where the white had landed, or put team A back in to shoot again.

Like I say, I have never encountered this before, and I'm looking for advice or a precise ruling, from any official referees, that may be here on the forum.


Potter

[FOXMULDER]

Whoever fouls on a black ball game loses the frame, regardless of the scores.

[dantuck_7]

You can only foul once on the black. So, 7 points are given for the foul and then as both teams are level it's a re-spot.

[FOXMULDER]

You can only foul once on the black. So, 7 points are given for the foul and then as both teams are level it's a re-spot.

That's not true.

Any foul on the final black loses the frame.

[potter]

Yep, I knew this one was going to be tricky!


Potter

[FOXMULDER]

Nope, I'm wrong! Dantuck 7 is quite correct. It would be a respot:

End of Frame, Game or Match
(a) When only the Black is left, the first score or foul ends the frame excepting only if the following conditions both apply:
(i) the scores are then equal, and
(ii) aggregate scores are not relevant.
(b) When both conditions in (a) above apply
(i) the Black is spotted,
(ii) the players draw lots for choice of playing
(iii) the next player plays from in-hand, and
(iv) the next score or foul ends the frame.
(c) When aggregate scores determine the winner of a game or match, and the aggregate scores are equal at the end of the last frame, the players in that frame shall follow the procedure for a re-spotted Black set out in (b) above.

worldsnooker.com

[DawRef]

Foxmulder has it correct. The first foul on the final black ends the frame. If the scores are level, it is a re-spot.
There are a lot of people playing who go under the misnomer that the final black has to be potted.

[ste bed]

Whoever fouls on a black ball game loses the frame, regardless of the scores.

so just say i was playing you i am 20 points ahead i pot blue pink and try a show off shot on the black and foul what would you have done? i would have been 31 points in front would you have won the game because i fouled on the black? just interested what you would have done before you where told the correct rule on here.

[T.C.]

He's posted a few times now with stuff he just dreams up regarding the rules.

[Acrowot]

dantuck_7 is 100% correct. Do not think some of the others that gave different answers, read the question properly.
:snooker:

[dean0]

Just to make this more confusing.

A scenario I have had before.

Black ball potted, scores even. say 40 all for arguments sake.

So we re spotted the black. My oppenent then fouled (potted cue ball)

Whats the rules here. We didn't play on, I had won. But technically my opponent would be 7 behind, so a re-spotted black and a pot from him would bring it level again and another re spotted black. It seemed a little daft and we were pretty sure that the rules would state I had won the frame.

I'm still a little unsure on this one though.

[Souwester]

Once the black has been respotted, then the first foul or pot will end the frame. Otherwise you could go on forever.

(See Foxmulder's post #6 which states the rule)

[dean0]

I thought as much.

Cheers. Post #6 was a little confusing for me :s