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I realise its a foul stroke by snookering with the nominated ball after a foul stroke and the penalty is the value of the ball on... so then the player proceeds to take his shot but the ball he should be on is still covered by the previous players nominated ball.. does this mean he gets a free ball as well as the points for the previous foul? sorry if iv'e made this sound really confusing
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Yes he gets a free ball, (imo - otherwise the player who made the foul shot using the nominated ball would gain an advantage which surely isnt fair) -
Originally Posted by Stephenw91 View Post
Unless, of course, only pink and black are on the table, when it is a *LEGAL* shot to tuck up behind the black nominated as a free ball.
In other circumstances it is a foul, as you say, and yes, the other player *WOULD* have a free ball himself.
Remember, though, that it's the closest ball (not on) to the cue ball which is the effective snookering ball.Last edited by Souwester; 2 June 2010, 10:33 AM.Comment
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To add to Sou'westers reply, it is only a foul if ALL balls that are or could be on are snookered by the free ball.
Take the following scenario:
After a foul, balls are as follows along a cushion (only 2 reds on table) red green cue-ball yellow red. Player A has been awarded a free ball and nominates green. He can legally roll up to the green and NOT commit a foul, as the green is NOT snookering all balls that are or could be on, in this case both reds. The other red is snookered by the yellow.You are only the best on the day you win.Comment
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Good point DawRef: didn't think to mention that.Comment
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Souwester,
so let me get this straight, say i have a free ball, there are reds on..
say the red is on the black spot, brown is on brown, blue is on blue.. i nominate the blue, and play it so the cueball lands behind the brown, the blue rolls back onto its spot perfectly thus putting that in the line of the shot as well as the brown...is this a foul? or is it ok because i havent snookered directly behind the nominated ball even though the nominated ball is in the line of the shot if i was to take hte brown away?
i hope that makes sense...what a frustrating, yet addictive game this is....Comment
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That would be a fair shot, because brown is the 'effective snookering ball' (because it is closer to the cue ball than the blue is.Originally Posted by Luke Hooper View PostComment
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and if the free ball even partially blocks the object ball? Still fault?Comment
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Yes, that would be a foul. If by accident or design the ball you nominate as your free ball comes to rest, even partially obstructing ALL balls on, then it is a foul.
Section 2 - Definitions
16. Snookered
The cue-ball is said to be snookered when a direct stroke in a straight line to every ball on is wholly or partially obstructed by a ball or balls not on. If one or more balls on can be struck at both extreme edges free of obstruction by any ball not on, the cue-ball is not snookered.
(a) If in-hand, the cue-ball is snookered if it is obstructed as described above from all possible positions on or within the lines of the "D".
(b) If the cue-ball is so obstructed from hitting a ball on by more than one ball not on
(i) the ball nearest to the cue-ball is considered to be the effective snookering ball, and
(ii) should more than one obstructing ball be equidistant from the cue-ball, all such balls will be considered to be effective snookering balls.
(c) When Red is the ball on, if the cue-ball is obstructed from hitting different Reds by different balls not on, there is no effective snookering ball.
(d) The striker is said to be snookered when the cue-ball is snookered as above
(e) The cue-ball cannot be snookered by a cushion. If the curved face of a cushion obstructs the cue-ball and is closer to the cue-ball than any obstructing ball not on, the cue-ball is not snookered.
Section 3 - The Game
10. Snookered After a Foul
After a foul, if the cue-ball is snookered, the referee shall state FREE BALL (see Section 2, Rule 16).
(a) If the player next in turn elects to play the next stroke,
(i) he may nominate any ball as the ball on, and
(ii) any Nominated ball shall be regarded as, and acquire the value of, the ball on except that, if potted, is shall then be spotted.
(b) It is a foul if the cue-ball should
(i) fail to hit the Nominated ball first, or first simultaneously with the ball on, or
(ii) be snookered on all Reds, or the ball on, by the free ball thus nominated, except when the Pink and Black are the only object balls remaining on the table.
(c) If the free ball is potted, it is spotted and the value of the ball on is scored.
(d) If a ball on is potted, after the cue-ball struck the Nominated ball first, or simultaneously with a ball on, the ball on is scored and remains off the table.
(e) If both the Nominated ball and a ball on are potted, only the ball on is scored unless it was a Red, when each ball potted is scored. The free ball is then spotted and the ball on remains off the table.
(f) If the offender is asked to play again, the free ball call becomes void.Comment
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