Simple snooker rules question:

[Benjen]

Start of the game,
I've potted a red,
I nominate the pink,
(it lies right besides the black, over the pocket),
I hit the pink wich knocks down the black.

Foul, or seven points?

Me and my pals are in disagreement.

Please, anyone, help us with our amateur doubts.

I found this in the rules:

11. Ball On
Any ball which may be lawfully struck by the first impact of the cue-ball, or any ball which may not be so struck but which may be potted, is said to be on.

[Camio]

In this case, the black was potted while you were on the pink. The black is worth 7 while the pink is worth 6.

Its always the most costly penalty thats counted against you. In your currrent situation, it'd be a foul of 7.

[DandyA]

I think Benjen is confused by the word "potted" ... a pot is the legal pocketing of a ball that is on - the black was not on so it was pocketed rather than potted, hence foul 7 points ...

I think you're also making that mistake Camio - in this case, the black was not potted - it was pocketed ...

I may well be corrected but that's my understanding

[Camio]

As for where to look at in the rules, go in the section #3 The game...

"11. Fouls:
(g) If more than one foul is committed in the same stroke, the highest value penalty shall be incurred."

You were on the pink and the black was pocketed. The black is worth mroe, therefore a foul of 7. If you'd have pocketed the blue while being on the pink, it'd be a foul of 6.

I hope this helps, Mark.

[Benjen]

In this case, the black was potted while you were on the pink. The black is worth 7 while the pink is worth 6.

Its always the most costly penalty thats counted against you. In your currrent situation, it'd be a foul of 7.

Thanks for replying.
So you say its a foul to put the black with the pink?

[Camio]

I think Benjen is confused by the word "potted" ... a pot is the legal pocketing of a ball that is on - the black was not on so it was pocketed rather than potted, hence foul 7 points ...

I think you're also making that mistake Camio - in this case, the black was not potted - it was pocketed ...

I may well be corrected but that's my understanding

Mostly was a bad choice of words on my part. In the next reply I did, I used the term "pocketed"

[Camio]

Thanks for replying.
So you say its a foul to put the black with the pink?

If you are on the reds and pocket a color by mistake, its a foul of minimum 4 and can be either 5, 6 or 7 depending on the color you've pocketed by mistake.

If you are on a color, say yellow, and you pocket anything else but yellow, this is a foul. The foul would be a minimum of 4 and could be 5, 6 or 7 if you pocketed the blue, pink or black while being on the yellow.

If you are on reds and pocket a red AND a color (say yellow) on the same shot, the red doesnt count and you get a foul of 4, this being the minimum foul in snooker.

[Benjen]

If you are on the reds and pocket a color by mistake, its a foul of minimum 4 and can be either 5, 6 or 7 depending on the color you've pocketed by mistake.

If you are on a color, say yellow, and you pocket anything else but yellow, this is a foul. The foul would be a minimum of 4 and could be 5, 6 or 7 if you pocketed the blue, pink or black while being on the yellow.

If you are on reds and pocket a red AND a color (say yellow) on the same shot, the red doesnt count and you get a foul of 4, this being the minimum foul in snooker.

THANKS.
Thamk you. Rihgt on the spot.
The answer to my question.
Thnx.

[Camio]

Also, just to add a little comment regarding balls being pocketed and a foul being committed:

-if you pocket a red and a color on the same stroke, the red stays in the pocket and you replace the color on its spot.

Basically, anytime you pocket a red and commit a foul, the red stays in the pocket. On the other hand, the colors are repotted.

The same applies if you are at the end of the game and only the colors are left on the table and you pocket the yellow but scratch on the same shot.

The yellow doesnt count and the yellow is put back on the table.

If a red goes off the table, its a foul and the red goes into a pocket, not being replaced on the table.

[Benjen]

We're having fun with a set of snooker balls on our pool tables.
We're a gang with a couple of nine foot tables.
snooker with ten reds
its fun

[Camio]

You can play snooker with 6 reds too. Its quick and say you guys are 3 players, this allows for quick (or quicker :P) 1 on 1 games.

[Benjen]

If you are on a color, say yellow, and you pocket anything else but yellow, this is a foul.

My question was about when I have a choice between coloreds and hit one, say yellow, wich in turn nudges another, say black, and the black goes in. Is it a foul or do I get the seven points for the black, and continue play?

[jrc750]

My question was about when I have a choice between coloreds and hit one, say yellow, wich in turn nudges another, say black, and the black goes in. Is it a foul or do I get the seven points for the black, and continue play?

Yes its a foul, you have to pot the colour you nominated, anything else that is potted is a foul

[Souwester]

You have a choice of colours, so all six colours could be on. However, once you have selected your colour, by nomination through indication or declaration, that ball becomes your ball on, and the other five colours are, therefore not on.

By causing a ball which is not on to enter a pocket, it is a foul, the penalty for which is the higher of the ball on or ball concerned.

Section 3 Rule 12

(b) value of the ball on or ball concerned, whichever is higher, by
(i) striking when any ball is not at rest,
(ii) striking before the referee has completed the spotting of a colour,
(iii) causing a ball not on to enter a pocket,
(iv) causing the cue-ball to first hit a ball not on,
(v) making a push stroke
(vi) touching a ball in play, other than the cue-ball with the tip of the cue as a stroke is made, or
(vii) causing a ball to be forced off the table.

In your case benjen, once you have nominated yellow, the black is no longer on and cannot be legally potted in your stroke. If you do pocket it, then it is a foul, and the penalty is seven points, because that's the value of the black, being 'the ball concerned'.

[Benjen]

OK. I'm satisfied, its clear to me now.
Thanks everybody.