conversing in 4 handed snooker

[winging pom]

hello all
I know that the rules state that 2 partners can converse before one has addressed the table.
My partner and I played in a pairs tournament,we lost after playing 2 frames,so ,ok were not good enough to win and no excuses.
Now to the point.For every turn at the table the opposing players had, they conversed,it was a very one sided conversation,it was actually one player, same player every time, actually tutoring the other one before he had his shot.
I literally mean every turn at the table.

Now I think that is going overboard and way beyond the spirit of the game.
I would like know what any of you think.Am I way off.

looking forward to some comments.
Winging Pom

[andy carson]

i would say fully alloweed as in pool when playing doubles both players look at the table and offer advice on what they see to what the player subsequently does, no matter if one is better at seeing shots and the other potting, its part and parcel of doubles play

[winging pom]

thanks andy it is what I thought anyway.sure puts a lot of extra time on a game though

[The Statman]

Once your turn has come to an end, your opponent partners can confer with each other as much as they like before the striker approaches the table to play his shot. However, once he has approached the table, no further conferring can take place until the end of his turn.

[Pechki]

Totally wrong to do this. Pool, do what the house rules let you do or nationally, local etc
Snooker Official rules of the game by the WPBSA states on page 26 Section 3 subsection (e)
Players may confer during a frame (but not whilst one is the striker and has approached the table) until the break has ended with a non scoring stroke or a foul,
Pechki

[pottr]

Does that rule specifically allude to pairs snooker or is that merely the outline for singles competition?

[Souwester]

S3 Rule 17(e), as quoted, is in section 17 entitled 'Four-handed Snooker'.

(e) Partners may confer during a frame but not whilst one is the striker and has approached the table until the break has ended with a non-scoring stroke or foul.

[DeanH]

In our World Rules pool league, no conversing between partners once the player on had addressed the table for the first shot of their turn, until turn is complete.
I have always thought that was the same in snooker.

[Souwester]

In our World Rules pool league, no conversing between partners once the player on had addressed the table for the first shot of their turn, until turn is complete.
I have always thought that was the same in snooker.

They can't. That's what the quoted rule says. Once a player becomes the striker he can't confer from the time he approaches the table until his turn has ended, only *before* he approaches the table before he's played the first stroke of his turn.

[DeanH]

hi Souwester
I was writing my post when your quote appeared so missed it at that time
So it is the same, pool or snooker, no discussion once a sticker approaches the table for the duration of his turn.
So in the OP's scenario, the other player was essentially cheating.
I remember many years ago playing a doubles knockout in our league and our opponents did basically the same as the OP (one player talking all the time ), we mentioned at the time that this is not allowed, he did stop for a few shots and you could see him biting his lip to talk, the could not restrain himself and started again.
We won the match anyway but told them that we would mention it to the league chair - I believe the next match they played the league chair was in attendance and lo - the player concerned hardly said a word
Question, what is the definition of the term "approach" cannot find that in the rule book?
cheers
:snooker:

[Pechki]

4 handed snooker. No when you become the striker

In our World Rules pool league, no conversing between partners once the player on had addressed the table for the first shot of their turn, until turn is complete.
I have always thought that was the same in snooker.

Rule book 1978 does not refer to this but it was always accepted that when you became the striker you were on your own Think back to potblack doubles. No conferring there
Pechki

[Pechki]

Cannot find a definition of approach in the book....but... once you become the striker you should get on with the job and approach the table and work out you own salvation. I refereed a xmas handicap where a partner gave advice and I told him to stop.
I also asked his partner if he had intended taking that shot and he said no. In the best interest of all parties it would be best if you did something else I said. That seemed to satisfy all players,
Pechki

[Pechki]

I've already put a comment about this (approach the table). Usually translated as when you are the striker you are on your own.
Where do my comments go?
Pechki

[DeanH]

Cannot find a definition of approach in the book....but... once you become the striker you should get on with the job and approach the table and work out you own salvation. I refereed a xmas handicap where a partner gave advice and I told him to stop.
I also asked his partner if he had intended taking that shot and he said no. In the best interest of all parties it would be best if you did something else I said. That seemed to satisfy all players,
Pechki

I've already put a comment about this (approach the table). Usually translated as when you are the striker you are on your own.
Where do my comments go?
Pechki

Is that the one above?
Sometimes when you have less than 10 posts odd things can happen to posts
Anyway, thanks for your comments.
As you say "...get on with the job and approach..." sometimes though you could get the situation where both partners approach the table to assess the situation, then start discussing their next move. Especially in pool
I am sure this is down to interpretation of intent.
cheers

[LittleMissAlexa]

i would say fully alloweed as in pool when playing doubles both players look at the table and offer advice on what they see to what the player subsequently does, no matter if one is better at seeing shots and the other potting, its part and parcel of doubles play

in pool ive regularly sacked my partner during pub matches god i dislike doubles simply because its not in your hands