is this a foul and miss

[jadoma]

can someone please clarify a rule for me. I pocketed a red ball attempting to get position on the black . Unfortunately I ended up snookered on all colors.
I attempted a one cushion hit on the yellow and just missed by about 1 inch leaving the cue ball near the corner pocket. I was told that is a foul and a miss as a one cushion hit on the black was an easier hit. I don't understand if this is the rule as such because a hit or a miss on the black would have left my opponent in an ideal position to run a lot of points on his next turn

[Krypton]

I was told that is a foul and a miss as a one cushion hit on the black was an easier hit.

You didn't go for the easiest solution available -> MISS!

I don't understand if this is the rule as such because a hit or a miss on the black would have left my opponent in an ideal position to run a lot of points on his next turn

So you went for a more difficult shot for TACTICAL reasons -> MISS!


That's a first class example of a MISS

[The Statman]

Yes, a Miss would be called.

By your own admission in the final sentence, you are not trying your best to hit a ball on; you are trying your best to leave it safe. You MUST play the easiest attempt at a colour, otherwise the Miss call is automatic. Same principle when going for a red and you play off three cushions to hit an isolated red rather than an easier shot which might leave your opponent in.

You may change your choice of colour if put back to play the shot again. If you then by chance pot the black (or indeed the yellow if you play that shot again) you score for it and it starts a new break, oddly with a colour when reds are on the table.

[Krypton]

Same answer from Stat

[tcollick]

Yep, also I think it would be called a miss even if the yellow was the easiest shot on, because one inch off one cushion isn't close enough...otherwise there's not much point playing with the miss rule at all. 3 cushions and one inch probably close enough, unless it fell short and didn't reach, in which case it should be a miss. Maybe i'm being too harsh, but thats they way we play it.

[The Statman]

Yep, also I think it would be called a miss even if the yellow was the easiest shot on, because one inch off one cushion isn't close enough...otherwise there's not much point playing with the miss rule at all. 3 cushions and one inch probably close enough, unless it fell short and didn't reach, in which case it should be a miss. Maybe i'm being too harsh, but thats they way we play it.

Yes quite. Of course, if you played off three cushions and missed by an inch, then it would still be called a Miss if there was another shot available off fewer cushions (or in some other way easier).

[jrc750]

What sort of standard do you play to ???
If its not high, as in century break player, then you shouldn't be playing the miss rule anyway.
(I guess if you cant manage a one cushion escape you have answered my question anyway lol)

[jrc750]

Posted this on same question elsewhere but here it is again;
What sort of standard do you play to ???
If its not high, as in century break player, then you shouldn't be playing the miss rule anyway.
(I guess if you cant manage a one cushion escape you have answered my question anyway lol)

Does everyone on here play the miss rule
Seems daft if you aint good enough to get out of snookers, even the 60, 70, or 80 breakers down my club dont play the miss rule.

[Souwester]

What sort of standard do you play to ???
If its not high, as in century break player, then you shouldn't be playing the miss rule anyway.
...
Seems daft if you aint good enough to get out of snookers, even the 60, 70, or 80 breakers down my club dont play the miss rule.

Of course the Miss rule should be applied. It's one of the rules in the rule book. I see absolutely no problem in applying the rule when you can see any part of a ball on (ie not snookered). When it comes to snookers you just need to use some common sense in applying it. It will be subjective, but regard must be had to the standard of the player and the difficulty of the snooker (not necessarily the difficulty of the shot chosen!).

If reasonably good players decide to enter a bigger tournament, such as an NGB event, then they will suddenly find themselves having to abide by the Miss rule and might get upset for getting called for misses when they wouldn't normally, back at their home club. It's far better to play with rules that will be widely and stringently applied.

It can be confusing playing with different sets of rules: I know that from playing pool with three different sets of rules (World, Federation and Old) that get played in different places.

[iancafc]

Seems daft if you aint good enough to get out of snookers, even the 60, 70, or 80 breakers down my club dont play the miss rule. qoute


yh most amuters /club players dont play miss rule as its time consuming and you have to try and judje if you miss tatically or not

[nrage]

Posted this on same question elsewhere but here it is again;
What sort of standard do you play to ???
If its not high, as in century break player, then you shouldn't be playing the miss rule anyway.
(I guess if you cant manage a one cushion escape you have answered my question anyway lol)

Does everyone on here play the miss rule
Seems daft if you aint good enough to get out of snookers, even the 60, 70, or 80 breakers down my club dont play the miss rule.

I play in a weekly wed night competition and we don't use the miss rule. Following a failed attempted escape the oncoming player can either play the next shot, or make the other guy play it, from where it lies. We apply free ball rules too, so they factor into the choice.

[Souwester]

Surely, by applying the Miss rule it will make you a better player, by making you try even harder to get out of snookers?

What incentive is there to improve your ability in getting out of snookers if you're just going to give a simple four point penalty or whatever?

[nrage]

Surely, by applying the Miss rule it will make you a better player, by making you try even harder to get out of snookers?

What incentive is there to improve your ability in getting out of snookers if you're just going to give a simple four point penalty or whatever?

Well..

I try as hard as possible to escape snookers, and I assume my opponents do too .. if not, well I get the points and either a good position to play from, or I put them back in - in that bad position to play a shot which will likely give me a good position, and so on..

The trouble with the miss rule, is mainly the replacement of balls. If several balls move it's not easy to get them back to their original positions. We don't have a referee so.. it may just end up being a source of argument.

[Souwester]

The trouble with the miss rule, is mainly the replacement of balls. If several balls move it's not easy to get them back to their original positions.

That's what referees call 'Foul and a Mess'!

[nevets]

Souwester, don't you think it is difficult to play the miss rule without a referee?
Who decides whether shot is a miss or not?
Particularly difficult at crucial moments.