Snookers on black?

[breakman16]

(no, there isn't.)

Shall I cite my last post here? In IT, we'd say: "RTFM", which stands for "Read the fu.... Manual!"

Why do 80% of all snooker players not even know what a snooker really IS?

It's only techincal, angled is still snookered really even though there isnt another ball in the way, why even put that last post? Just be helpful and try not to upset people, if everyone was a scathing as that, there would be much less members than there are now!

[Krypton]

But it's not how you think, angled is NOT snookered, by no means!

You really got to know what a snooker situation really is, according to the rules. The snooker yes/no question is important for correct decision making after foul strokes, when a free ball may come into consideration.

the angled cue ball is NOT snookered. It just isn't.

[komakino]

So to clarify: If I'm 8 points in front and I attempt a thin cut on the black.

If I:

a) pot it but go in-off

OR

b) miss the black altogether

I still win by 1 point as the foul ends the game?

Someone tried to persuade me that fouling on the black is loss of frame...I told him that I'd never heard that one and also that I suspected that it was a load of tripe.

[Krypton]

So to clarify: If I'm 8 points in front and I attempt a thin cut on the black.

If I:

a) pot it but go in-off

OR

b) miss the black altogether

I still win by 1 point as the foul

ends the game?

Correct, assuming (logically) it's the last black on the table, so only cue ball and black left -> the seven points are scored ONCE only, to the striker if a pot is played, to the non-offending player if a foul happens.

[jrc750]

.....Someone tried to persuade me that fouling on the black is loss of frame...I told him that I'd never heard that one and also that I suspected that it was a load of tripe.

This is only true where both players have roughly same points, so that whoever pots the black will win the frame, so if this player fouls on the black (rather than potting it) it is indeed loss of frame.

[DawRef]

This is only true where both players have roughly same points, so that whoever pots the black will win the frame, so if this player fouls on the black (rather than potting it) it is indeed loss of frame.

If both players have equal points AFTER the potting or fouling of the final black, then it is a re-spotted black. If Player A is 8 points in front and decides to attempt to pot the final black and misses (or goes in off) then the frame is ended and player A still wins. However, if it is an aggregate scores match and it is the final frame, and the AGGREGATE scores are level after the pot or foul on ther final black, then again it is a re-spotted black, with the cue-ball in hand and players drawing lots to see who will play the next stroke.

This is quite clear in the rules (Section 3 Rule 4).

[jrc750]

If both players have equal points AFTER the potting or fouling of the final black, then it is a re-spotted black. If Player A is 8 points in front and decides to attempt to pot the final black and misses (or goes in off) then the frame is ended and player A still wins. However, if it is an aggregate scores match and it is the final frame, and the AGGREGATE scores are level after the pot or foul on ther final black, then again it is a re-spotted black, with the cue-ball in hand and players drawing lots to see who will play the next stroke.

This is quite clear in the rules (Section 3 Rule 4).

I was talking about normal snooker, not aggregate scores stuff

[breakman16]

But it's not how you think, angled is NOT snookered, by no means!

You really got to know what a snooker situation really is, according to the rules. The snooker yes/no question is important for correct decision making after foul strokes, when a free ball may come into consideration.

the angled cue ball is NOT snookered. It just isn't.

I know it isnt technically, but u've still got to play as if it is, I gather there needs to be a ball in the way for it to be a snooker? Thanks to this thread for clearing up the foul on the black business!!

[DawRef]

I know it isnt technically, but u've still got to play as if it is, I gather there needs to be a ball in the way for it to be a snooker?

You can only be snookered by a ball or balls that are NOT ON. Therefore, as a cushion is not a ball you are not snookered. Also, if you are angled, you cannot be warned for the 3 miss rule and hence lose the frame. You can, of course, still be foul and missed. If you are in the jaws of a poket after a foul and there is no ball not on between the cue-ball and any ball on or could be on, you will not be given a free ball either.
The rule states (Section 2 Rule 16(e)):
The cue-ball cannot be snookered by a cushion. If the curved face of a cushion obstructs thecue-ball and is closer to the cue-ball than any obstructing ball not on, the c ue-ball is not snookered.