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**andy carson** · 30 April 2011, 06:36 PM

with regards to the tip...

go with what you feel comfortable with, some people prefer and get on better with a hard tip, some with a soft, there is no magic tip thats suitable for every single player otherwise there would only be one tip on the market...

cleaning the shaft, try a microfibre cloth, as near to dry as you can get it and dont be afraid to give it a good tug on the shaft to clean it....

**ccfook2123** · 30 April 2011, 06:40 PM

i understand with what you mean by "comfortable", its so true.....
but im requesting the fact of soft or hard tip have more power and generate more spin......

thank you for telling me about microfibre cloth( i think its the cloth for car washing?is it the one)

again, thank you very much!!

**andy carson** · 30 April 2011, 06:48 PM

same as you use for flatscreen tellies, sunglasses etc they tend to have a bit of static in them so the chalk dust is more attracted to the cloth.

**ccfook2123** · 30 April 2011, 06:52 PM

ok, thank you^^, will get one microfiber cloth tomorrow.

everyone is watching williams playing bes-ball now, so no replies in this thread?

**Syawal Roslee** · 30 April 2011, 08:34 PM

as for soft or hard, I personally think soft will make more spin too.
right now i am using the stock tip on my cue (I think Blue Diamond)
thinking of changing to somewhat softer tip soon.
tell me what tip you will be changing. and the different to current tip.

as for microfiber cloth, i think its about RM5 at supermarket. just bought 1 last week for my cue.

**HemiRR** · 1 June 2011, 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=ccfook2123;575389]i have some questions

1) soft tip or hard tip generate more spin?
i personally think soft tips will generate more spin , but, so many people told me hard tip generate more spin, soft tip grip the cue ball better, but why hard tip is more powerful? so, which one? and why? im so confuse,so i need confirmation. please tell me, because i love to apply side on cue ball to watch it spin..... (i'm playing like stupid, but im happy

)

So much depends on your grip. If you have a tight grip the cue ball will remain in contact with your tip for the briefest instant resulting in less spin. If you have a soft grip the cue ball will remain in contact with your tip for a longer period of time resulting in more spin. There is another factor that also affects the amount of spin. How shiny is your tip. Shiny tips have less grip (hard tips tend to become shiny easier than soft tips). Less grip equals less spin.

If you want to see some super slowmo of cue tip contact visit http://billiards.colostate.edu/high_...eos/index.html. On video play back 'right click' and select 'play speed slow' to really see the difference. By studing the various videos you can see that a soft grip vs hard grip with similar stroke speed, can make a difference of a couple hundreths of a second in additional contact time resulting in more spin with a softer grip.

There are other factors that should be considered such as tip life and tip maintenance. I play a power game so mushrooming is a real problem for me. After trial and error I now use a Talisman hard, so that I get some tip life (4 + months verses 6 weeks with softer tips). These tips take very little playing in time and dont mushroom so tip maitenance is not a problem. With soft tips it seemed that I was always trimming the side off ( I can't stand tip overhang). I use chualk that has a 'gritty feel' when chualking the tip and I seldom have any 'shiny' tip problems. I consistanly am able to put super spin on slow shots around the black without any problem (using a soft grip and hard tip)

**willtyson** · 1 June 2011, 06:58 PM

In my personal opinion a hard laminated tip is better to apply side but really it's just personal preference. It's not always the tip that makes the difference it can be the player behind it

Good luck :snooker:

**Slasher** · 1 June 2011, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=HemiRR;581697]

Originally Posted by ccfook2123 View Post

i have some questions

1) soft tip or hard tip generate more spin?
i personally think soft tips will generate more spin , but, so many people told me hard tip generate more spin, soft tip grip the cue ball better, but why hard tip is more powerful? so, which one? and why? im so confuse,so i need confirmation. please tell me, because i love to apply side on cue ball to watch it spin..... (i'm playing like stupid, but im happy

)

So much depends on your grip. If you have a tight grip the cue ball will remain in contact with your tip for the briefest instant resulting in less spin. If you have a soft grip the cue ball will remain in contact with your tip for a longer period of time resulting in more spin. There is another factor that also affects the amount of spin. How shiny is your tip. Shiny tips have less grip (hard tips tend to become shiny easier than soft tips). Less grip equals less spin.

If you want to see some super slowmo of cue tip contact visit http://billiards.colostate.edu/high_...eos/index.html. On video play back 'right click' and select 'play speed slow' to really see the difference. By studing the various videos you can see that a soft grip vs hard grip with similar stroke speed, can make a difference of a couple hundreths of a second in additional contact time resulting in more spin with a softer grip.

There are other factors that should be considered such as tip life and tip maintenance. I play a power game so mushrooming is a real problem for me. After trial and error I now use a Talisman hard, so that I get some tip life (4 + months verses 6 weeks with softer tips). These tips take very little playing in time and dont mushroom so tip maitenance is not a problem. With soft tips it seemed that I was always trimming the side off ( I can't stand tip overhang). I use chualk that has a 'gritty feel' when chualking the tip and I seldom have any 'shiny' tip problems. I consistanly am able to put super spin on slow shots around the black without any problem (using a soft grip and hard tip)

Regarding the grip and contact time this is not a correct assumption. The reason a looser grip often provides better action on the CB is because a tight grip has the tendency to pull the cue ofline and you don't strike the CB as intended, the looser grip will let the cue travel on it's intended path. Contact time is in the thousandths and has no real relevance, it's simply a matter of speed and torque, the more off center and the faster the more spin. The harder tip may also transfer more energy rather than absorb it. I have had the best results on a power draw with a harder tip.

**philthoms** · 2 June 2011, 08:20 AM

A soft tip will definitely throw more when applying side which may cause you to miss the pot. Harder or firmer tips don't throw as much. Try using a tip somewhere between soft and hard which is usually a good Elkmaster but they are so hard to find these days.

**ccfook2123** · 2 June 2011, 08:40 AM

some of you may think that i have problem with power draw, but in fact i have no problem on this

but im just not sure which type of tips to choose

Slasher, i think you are so right about soft grip and hard grip
its not really the matter to generate spin
try it with soft and hard grip for soft screw shots with same power, i think you will get the cue ball back at same distance

to generate more spin is how fast, how low and far you can deliver you cue in straight line in my opinion

**DeanH** · 2 June 2011, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by ccfook2123 View Post

2) how to clean chalk stain?
i just cant clean off chalk stain from my cue shaft, i used both damp cloth and dry cloth, but still some leftover chalk stain on my cue,so please help, linseed oil really help to clean? or only to protect the cue and make it smoother?

3) a small hole(should i call it a dent?big one) on my cue shaft, i can feel it when i do feathering, how do i repair it without any harm to the cue?

Linseed oil is a finish not a cleaning product. If all else fails you can use a very fine sandpaper (2,000 or 3,000 grit) gentle rub down the stain, always with the grain and not rotating the shaft, to remove the stain, then oil the cue with the raw linseed oil to finish and protect the wood.
Small dents can occur due to people slapping the cue on the table rails (urgh!) or using the cue to collect/stop the balls. There are previous threads on this forum on peoples thoughts on getting these dents out, from using a damp cloth with a hot iron, etc. Do a search and you may hit something that works for you.
Some time ago I tried the damp cloth and hot iron on a small dent, I did see an improvement but the wet heat did cause the wood to go rough a little bit, but a rub down with 3000 and a re-oil did the trick. There is still a very small dent but it does not affect my cueing anymore.
best of luck

**ccfook2123** · 2 June 2011, 08:50 AM

i got the dent because drop to the rough floor (URGH!)
just a dent which not affecting my cueing anyway...
i dare not try with sand paper
so i guess i will let it be

**Slasher** · 2 June 2011, 03:14 PM

For soaking out dents here is a trick that works well, stick a small round blob of water soaked toilet paper on the dent and leave over night, sometimes with ash and a deep dent you have to do more than once. Often they pop right out and you don't need to do anything sometimes you may need to buff it down with something like 1000 grit.

**Slasher** · 2 June 2011, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by ccfook2123 View Post

some of you may think that i have problem with power draw, but in fact i have no problem on this

but im just not sure which type of tips to choose

Slasher, i think you are so right about soft grip and hard grip
its not really the matter to generate spin
try it with soft and hard grip for soft screw shots with same power, i think you will get the cue ball back at same distance

to generate more spin is how fast, how low and far you can deliver you cue in straight line in my opinion

The cue ball has no idea what kind of grip you use it just knows it was hit

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